9.0:1 Really Needed

[RippinLips4]

Abu's Revo Rocket has a 9.0:1 Gear Ratio with 37 inches per turn, what in the heck do you need that for? the only thing i could think is punching. My 7.1:1's do the job just fine though. 

 

What are your guys thoughts? Needed or wanted?

[GaterB]

I could see it making buzzbaits or "toads" (the kind with kicking feet) easier to keep on top. You could slow your retrieve down and still keep those things burning on the surface. I've heard that for use with pitching that reel is the most efficient because it literally takes two handle turns to get a pitched bait back for another cast.

[mjseverson24]

I would use it for jigs/t-rigs and hollow body frogs, i would most likely upgrade the handle to a longer 90+mm to increase the torque...

 

Mitch

[fish365]

Burning a trap

[Tywithay]

10 years ago 7:1 was pretty much unheard of. As far as I know, people were still catching fish on the same lures we use today. Obscene gear ratios aren't a necessity, they're more of a luxury feature.

[bflp3]

I would use it for jigs/t-rigs and hollow body frogs, i would most likely upgrade the handle to a longer 90+mm to increase the torque...

 

Mitch

 

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the super high gear ratio? Longer handle means your hand has to travel further per rotation of the handle. You are essentially lowering the gear ratio with a longer handle aren't you?

[J Francho]

No, you are increasing the distance your hand travels. One turn gets you 7 spool revolutions on a 7:1 reel, whether the handle is 90mm or 9 inches. Also, the longer the handle the less torque it takes to torn that reel. In sone situations, a long handle just feels better. In others I like short handle.

As far as 9:1 reels go, my 7:1 reels aren't my favorite for moving baits. There will always be room for a slower reel.

[Grantman83]

I believe the revo rocket has A 95mm handle.

[Stingray23]

overkill

[FlipnLimits]

Wanted not needed.  I even think 7.4 is too fast for frogs.  But that's just my opinion

 

FL

[bflp3]

No, you are increasing the distance your hand travels. One turn gets you 7 spool revolutions on a 7:1 reel, whether the handle is 90mm or 9 inches. Also, the longer the handle the less torque it takes to torn that reel. In sone situations, a long handle just feels better. In others I like short handle.

As far as 9:1 reels go, my 7:1 reels aren't my favorite for moving baits. There will always be room for a slower reel.

Perhaps I worded my response confusingly. What I meant by "essentially lowing your gear ratio" is that you are slowing your reel down, which seems to defeat the purpose of a higher gear ratio. 

 

Given the same handle length, a 7:1 reel brings line in faster than a 6:1 reel because one revolution of the handle spins the spool an additional revolution. That means even though your hand travels the same distance with both reels, the 7.1 pulls in additional line with one additional spool revolution. If we add a longer handle, our hand has to travel additional distance to bring in the same amount of line as the shorter handle.

 

The rocket has 37" per turn, roughly 940mm per handle turn. If my math is correct, with an 80mm handle you will pull in 3.75mm of line per 1mm your handle travels, while with a 90mm handle you will pull in 3.32mm of line per 1mm your handle moves. The reason why the longer handle requires less torque is because your are doing less work per unit of distance the handle moves.

 

I understand what you are saying about a longer or shorter handle feeling better, as a bigger or smaller reeling radius might feel more comfortable to some. But putting a longer handle on the reel seems to defeat the purpose of getting a crazy high gear ratio.

[Scott F]

I could have used that reel over the weekend when I was burning a Red Eye shad. My hand was getting tired even with a 7:1 reel. The weeds were shallow and if you slowed down, you were bring back weeds. 

[mjseverson24]

Perhaps I worded my response confusingly. What I meant by "essentially lowing your gear ratio" is that you are slowing your reel down, which seems to defeat the purpose of a higher gear ratio. 

 

Given the same handle length, a 7:1 reel brings line in faster than a 6:1 reel because one revolution of the handle spins the spool an additional revolution. That means even though your hand travels the same distance with both reels, the 7.1 pulls in additional line with one additional spool revolution. If we add a longer handle, our hand has to travel additional distance to bring in the same amount of line as the shorter handle.

 

The rocket has 37" per turn, roughly 940mm per handle turn. If my math is correct, with an 80mm handle you will pull in 3.75mm of line per 1mm your handle travels, while with a 90mm handle you will pull in 3.32mm of line per 1mm your handle moves. The reason why the longer handle requires less torque is because your are doing less work per unit of distance the handle moves.

 

I understand what you are saying about a longer or shorter handle feeling better, as a bigger or smaller reeling radius might feel more comfortable to some. But putting a longer handle on the reel seems to defeat the purpose of getting a crazy high gear ratio.

your thinking is correct, but the magnitude of the effect you are talking about may be a little off. say you have the 9:1 ratio like the rocket has, by increasing the size of the handle you will effectively" slow down" the reel, but it may slow it down to the speed equivalent of an 8.5:1 or an 8:1, but you will have better leverage when reeling than you had before without totally sacrificing the speed of the reel. In my opinion it is a better mix of Power and speed. But apparently it already comes with a 95mm handle so upgrading may not be necessary...

[bigbill]

Isn't this ratio used for getting the lure back to the boat faster after a strike and a miss so you can get the lure back out there faster when $$ is on the line?

I used a 6.3-1 reel all day and I was beat and tired that day.

I'm out of shape and condition for the faster reels.

[*Hootie]

10 years ago 7:1 was pretty much unheard of. As far as I know, people were still catching fish on the same lures we use today. Obscene gear ratios aren't a necessity, they're more of a luxury feature.

Back in the 60's and 70's, my old Ambassadeurs had a gear ratio of 3.5:1. I still caught bass using the same type of lures. Of course you have to realize, the bass were really stupid back then.

Hootie

[Koofy Smacker]

If you have thinking like this you shouldnt be bass fishing. Name one thing in our sport that ISN'T overkill for the green and bronze fish. 250hp motors, 80 mph, 10 gagillion bait colors, ridicuouls japanese prices and swimbaits and more rod, reel, line choices than you can even fit on a single website.

 

Yet we all love it for that reason

[ColdSVT]

My car doesnt need to make 540hp....but it does lol

[WIGuide]

I can see this being a benefit for flippin' and pitching as well as hollow bodied frogs, toads, and buzz baits. My two main uses would be for pitch/flip and as a frog reel. If you swing on a fish with a frog and miss you can get that thing back to the boat and right back out there considerably faster.

[gulfcaptain]

Has anyone thought about after the fact.  You hook a 9lb bass on a frog in the weeds and try and turn that handle  with 65lb braid as that seems to be the most common(shot in the dark), if you have that drag buttoned I'm thinking there are gonna be some broken rods. Or they are gonna rip the hooks out of the fish because of it's speed. I'm waiting till they make a 2 speed bass reel, one that is 9:1 and then you can push the button and drop down to 3:1 and just turn the handle and winch them in.  Until then 7:1 is just fine for me. They may need to put a warning on the side of the box stating you need to wear safety glasses so you don't get pieces of graphite in your eyes from your rod snapping.

[McAlpine]

Gear ratio is not necessarily the telling factor.  IPT is what is more of intrest in combination with the radius of the handle arc to really detail how "fast" you can pull in line....or maybe want to.

 

ie..One of my favorite reels is a 7.9:1 MGX.  Normally I would scoff at something so fast but it's a small reel with a small spool.  Dependent upon how much line is on the spool at the time of the retreive IPT will vary but they list at a full spool 31" per turn.  The full turn of the handle can be modified with a longer handle.  It will simply take longer to complete a full revolution on a longer handle but you will be pulling in the same amount of line.  Keeping all of this in mind though, the diamater of the spool with less line is smaller initially after the cast than at the end.  So in reality, the same speed of retreive at the handle of the reel escalates the speed of the bait the closer it gets to you.  More IPT due to larger diameter of spool as it fills with line.

 

You want to go really, really fast?  Get a high gear ratio reel, with a large spool, keep it chock full of line, make short casts and have a very short handle radius.

 

You want to go really, really slow?  Get a low gear ratio reel, with a small spool,  keep it low on line, make long casts and have a very long handle radius.

 

So, no real point here other than being tired of complaints or inconsistant fact stating about gear ratio when it is only one variable in the "speed" of your bait equation.

[J Francho]

I remember when 5:1 casting reels were called high speed. It's interesting that no one discusses spinning gear ratios. A small 6:1 spinning reel can take up 30+ IPT.

[frogflogger]

Has anyone thought about after the fact.  You hook a 9lb bass on a frog in the weeds and try and turn that handle  with 65lb braid as that seems to be the most common(shot in the dark), if you have that drag buttoned I'm thinking there are gonna be some broken rods. Or they are gonna rip the hooks out of the fish because of it's speed. I'm waiting till they make a 2 speed bass reel, one that is 9:1 and then you can push the button and drop down to 3:1 and just turn the handle and winch them in.  Until then 7:1 is just fine for me. They may need to put a warning on the side of the box stating you need to wear safety glasses so you don't get pieces of graphite in your eyes from your rod snapping.

I've fantasized about two speed frog reels - I like to zip them in for another cast but grind the reel on my hookset therefore 6.3:1 is what I use.

[J Francho]

Shimano made a two speed lo pro reel. Bantam Black Magnum II. 3.8:1 and 5.2:1. It even had mag brakes. It was fussy.

[gulfcaptain]

Gear ratio is not necessarily the telling factor.  IPT is what is more of intrest in combination with the radius of the handle arc to really detail how "fast" you can pull in line....or maybe want to.

 

 

 

You want to go really, really fast?  Get a high gear ratio reel, with a large spool, keep it chock full of line, make short casts and have a very short handle radius.

 

You want to go really, really slow?  Get a low gear ratio reel, with a small spool,  keep it low on line, make long casts and have a very long handle radius.

 

So, no real point here other than being tired of complaints or inconsistant fact stating about gear ratio when it is only one variable in the "speed" of your bait equation.

Handle length has nothing to do with gear ratio. One turn of the handle is going to turn the spool the stated amount of times, whether it's long or short. Longer handles  just gives more torque thus making it easier to reel at the higher speed.   And if you have a really low amount of line on your reel,  you can't really make long casts.  Think the tread started about what each of us thought so there isn't any complaining going on, just opinions in a discussion.  To each there own.  That's the great part about the market, we each can choose what we like to use.

[gulfcaptain]

Shimano made a two speed lo pro reel. Bantam Black Magnum II. 3.8:1 and 5.2:1. It even had mag brakes. It was fussy.

Take it those came out a long time back?