Mainebass1984 Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Ask him where he caught it. Actually, ask him if he even caught it (that's a better question). He must have caught it ? right ? Quote
Super User deaknh03 Posted March 22, 2014 Super User Posted March 22, 2014 He must have caught it ? right ? Maybe WRB can clear it up. 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted March 22, 2014 Super User Posted March 22, 2014 Tell y'all what I'll do to be fair I'll mark every piece for structure on a map of Toledo Bend that I ever fished. Y'all will not be allowed to fish those spots but I can only fish those spots. Wanna see if memory wins! I'll even give you a month to pre-fish! 1 Quote
Super User Shane J Posted March 22, 2014 Super User Posted March 22, 2014 He must have caught it ? right ? Nope. Quote
FlipnLimits Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Gentlemen Tom is correct, to a degree, in his dissemination of fishing in the memory. It was mentioned that we should observe water conditions, weather, etc. but one thing not mentioned was this applies if it was your first time out in a month or a year, etc. This statement does apply to a casual fisherman or maybe us when visiting a new body of water. Most of us here fish very often and we already know what the water temp and conditions are when we head out on the water. Barring a torrential rain or drastic weather change, not much will change in 3 days or day to day, water-wise. Some of us are out every 3,4,5, days or more and if I had to check the water conditions that often, then I haven't done my time on the water, justice. I always start the day with certain baits and patterns, because experience tell me to. Fishing anew every outing is a fallacy. If this was the way to do it, no bass fisherman would ever practice for a tournament. New memories arise from old experiences. For example....I found myself fishing one of my favorite froggin' stretches and I saw some baitfish busting the surface. I assumed it was White Bass running 'em up but I decided to cast a plastic jerkbait toward the baitfish and a couple jerks later I was setting the hook on a bass. Memory made! Now I always throw the jerkbait in that area when I see similar circumstances. FL 1 Quote
AQUA VELVA Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Well, lets ask him. Tom did you catch that fish your holding? Quote
Mainebass1984 Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Tom is correct, to a degree, in his dissemination of fishing in the memory. It was mentioned that we should observe water conditions, weather, etc. but one thing not mentioned was this applies if it was your first time out in a month or a year, etc. This statement does apply to a casual fisherman or maybe us when visiting a new body of water. Most of us here fish very often and we already know what the water temp and conditions are when we head out on the water. Barring a torrential rain or drastic weather change, not much will change in 3 days or day to day, water-wise. Some of us are out every 3,4,5, days or more and if I had to check the water conditions that often, then I haven't done my time on the water, justice. I always start the day with certain baits and patterns, because experience tell me to. Conditions can change very quickly. The conditions we encounter aren't just water temperature and water level. Wind direction, barometric pressure, frontal passage, just to name a couple, should all be factors when considering conditions. A lot can change in 3 days. The conditions may change during your time on the water. For example you may be out fishing and its is warm, calm wind and cloudy. A front will pass through the wind will pick up and now it is sunny, windy and the temperature has dropped 10 degrees. As the conditions change so do what the bass are doing. Quote
FlipnLimits Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Conditions can change very quickly. The conditions we encounter aren't just water temperature and water level. Wind direction, barometric pressure, frontal passage, just to name a couple, should all be factors when considering conditions. A lot can change in 3 days. The conditions may change during your time on the water. For example you may be out fishing and its is warm, calm wind and cloudy. A front will pass through the wind will pick up and now it is sunny, windy and the temperature has dropped 10 degrees. As the conditions change so do what the bass are doing. Of course, all true. And what do you do? You go with your past experience in such situations, not assess the lake from a point of view where you've never seen it before. You're in VT?, so you see brutal cold fronts like I do. What do you do? Abandon 2 days of practice? I go right where I caught them the day before and you know what, they are usually there. If not, then subtle changes are made. Quote
Super User Shane J Posted March 22, 2014 Super User Posted March 22, 2014 Guess we don't need waaypoints, either, I suppose? Quote
Mainebass1984 Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Of course, all true. And what do you do? You go with your past experience in such situations, not assess the lake from a point of view where you've never seen it before. You're in VT?, so you see brutal cold fronts like I do. What do you do? Abandon 2 days of practice? I go right where I caught them the day before and you know what, they are usually there. If not, then subtle changes are made. I would rather not abandon days of practice... but some times it must be done. If its not working because conditions have changed then I change my approach as well, it could be a lure, presentation, location... A cold front up here in New England is a game changer. Separate's the men from the boys come tournament day Quote
Mainebass1984 Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Guess we don't need waaypoints, either, I suppose? waypoints ? what are those ? Quote
Brian Needham Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 geez this thread quickly went total cluster..... fishing history is something we all do whether you want to admit it or not....... even Elite Series Pros have said the best thing they have done is delete all their waypoints. Quote
FlipnLimits Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 I would rather not abandon days of practice... but some times it must be done. If its not working because conditions have changed then I change my approach as well, it could be a lure, presentation, location... A cold front up here in New England is a game changer. Separate's the men from the boys come tournament day Yes, sometimes it must be done, but after I've proven it must be done. I fish just over 20 tournaments per year and one thing I've learned is not to abandon what worked yesterday and don't leave biting fish. Cold fronts can make Bigger bass bite in the same area you were catching keepers the day before. Experience is the only thing that creates consistency! Anyone can have a great day, not many always have good days. Of course there's the occasional bad day Quote
Brian Needham Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 case in point...........last years road trip. I been catching them all week on a jig and shakeyhead, then I fish with Glenn......... well after Glenn had caught a couple DOZEN fish with a senko, I quit fishing what worked YESTERDAY/HISTORY and started catching fish today. 1 Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted March 22, 2014 Super User Posted March 22, 2014 Yea Iam with you fellers! Quote
Slade House Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Fishing at Lake Casitas requires you to constantly adapt and change far more than anywhere i grew up fishing (Potomac River, Lake Anna) . I fish at the same lake as Tom and his advice is solid. As for Casitas, Top 5 Bag weights in the last tourney 2 weeks ago were 23.8, 22.7, 22.3, 22.1, 20.6 for 5 fish in 1 event. Hell, I caught a 6.2 and a 5.1 this week, and 2 months ago caught a 8.5 on a monday, and a 7.6 on a wednesday. So when he says he caught a 16lber, he means it. Quote
Super User Shane J Posted March 22, 2014 Super User Posted March 22, 2014 I'm just trying to figure out how a few average bags, and a couple slightly above average fish (for Cali), have anything to do with the topic he was talking about. He may have caught a 16 at some point in his life, however, it was probably off a bed, and 30 years ago. Bottom line is, he hasn't added anything to any conversation, that any goon couldn't just look up on Wikipedia, and hasn't posted a pic of a big fish in ions, maybe even ever on here, because he just doesn't catch them like he wants you all to think. Where's he at in the State Vs State, then? I bet he couldn't break the 50% mark. Quote
nascar2428 Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 When ever I go fishing on familiar water, I always rely on my past experiences(Memory)to start the day. Fishing logs and waypoints are great tools for documenting your past experiences(memory).They are great starting points as long as similar conditions exist. We all know that fishing conditions change by the minute and it is your past experiences(memory) that help you to adjust to those conditions. And it is our willingness to experiment that creates new fishing experiences(memories). 2 Quote
mnbassman23 Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 When ever I go fishing on familiar water, I always rely on my past experiences(Memory)to start the day. Fishing logs and waypoints are great tools for documenting your past experiences(memory).They are great starting points as long as similar conditions exist. We all know that fishing conditions change by the minute and it is your past experiences(memory) that help you to adjust to those conditions. And it is our willingness to experiment that creates new fishing experiences(memories). X2 well put. Quote
The Rooster Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 I'm just trying to figure out how a few average bags, and a couple slightly above average fish (for Cali), have anything to do with the topic he was talking about. He may have caught a 16 at some point in his life, however, it was probably off a bed, and 30 years ago. Bottom line is, he hasn't added anything to any conversation, that any goon couldn't just look up on Wikipedia, and hasn't posted a pic of a big fish in ions, maybe even ever on here, because he just doesn't catch them like he wants you all to think. Where's he at in the State Vs State, then? I bet he couldn't break the 50% mark.Why are you outright attacking him? He started a thread in good faith about bass fishing, stated his view on the subject, mirroring something I've even read that KVD himself agrees with, and the first thing you did was challenge it and now you're basically accusing him of being a fake. There's no need for the animosity here.GOODNIGHT IRENE! 4 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 22, 2014 Super User Posted March 22, 2014 I don't think it's necessary to question Tom's credibility, nor do I think it's relevant to the discussion. I've had the pleasure if chatting with him offline, and based on our discussions, he knows what he knows, and his input is as welcome as anyone's. Bottom line, he knows what's up, and more importantly, he's an old dude that can share some of the history. I like my old guys, and value their stories and experience. They might not be dialed into what is right now, but that doesn't mean their experience is irrelevant. To the original point… I can't tell you how many times I've heard this at the end of the day: "I caught the heck out of them the past two days, but couldn't buy a bite today…" or, "you should have been here yesterday…" at the ramp, weigh in, coffee joint, etc. We're talking about fishing the past. I love fishing against guys that don't know how to prefish, or manage their spots over a two or three day event. Where are your fish? You sore lipped them and took them on a boat ride! Changing conditions…there are things that occur, sometimes overnight, that dramatically change the game. This is key in one day tournaments. Guys come in on a Thursday, and get their plan and spots. By Saturday, it can be completely different. Do what you did on Thursday - fish the past - and you fall on your face. It's happened to me. Now, having fished in changing or inclement conditions will help, if you know how to find a bit in those conditions. This is the fishing in the past that Catt, and others talk about, but it's not that same as hitting same spots over and over. Let's face it, the guys that are citing experience are better than average sticks, and know when to fish what. They've made the new memories Tom refers to. Case in point, I grew up on Port Bay, and I ALWAYS fish the outlet. When I was younger, if I didn't catch, it was just a bad day. Later, I started to put things together that tied good fishing in that spot with certain environmental conditions. That spot always holds a few fish, and the point on the east side is a well beaten community hole, and not just for bass. But, in certain situations, and I've done it twice in tournaments, you can beat green fish from frogs, jigs, senkos under docks, with brown fish that are suddenly where they never are. It's not a spot I rely on anymore. In fact, since I've fished this water for over 30 years, I don't rely on anything there. You might call that fishing your memory, but it's beyond that. If I fished that spot every tournament, I may never win, or I may luck out with smallies. You aren't going to find too many big green fish, though they are right around the corner in a totally different habitat. One I may have never found either, had I not decided to try something different, and make new memories, experiences. All Tom is saying is leave your comfort zone. 3 Quote
Super User WRB Posted March 22, 2014 Author Super User Posted March 22, 2014 Well, lets ask him. Tom did you catch that fish your holding?Off topic:I didn't put the picture of my bass mount in the avatar, another member did that. I aviod posting pictures because someone will be jealous and question it's validity. The avatar bass is my PB and was caught at lake Castaic on March 3, 1994 on my hair jig with pork rind trailer (not a crawdad) 17' of water and weighs 19.3 lbs. best Casitas bass was 18.6 lbs caught Feb 9, 1981 on the same style hair jig and pork rind trailer. The reason I always fish the jig is because of the memories, sometime it works, sometime it's a mistake. Tom 1 Quote
Super User Shane J Posted March 22, 2014 Super User Posted March 22, 2014 Why are you outright attacking him? He started a thread in good faith about bass fishing, stated his view on the subject, mirroring something I've even read that KVD himself agrees with, and the first thing you did was challenge it and now you're basically accusing him of being a fake. There's no need for the animosity here. GOODNIGHT IRENE! Yeah, that's exactly right, Rooster. I guess your opinion and mine are different, which is cool, but if you don't like the heat, you know what they say... Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 22, 2014 Super User Posted March 22, 2014 As long as the heat is civil… Quote
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