The Beer Is Brewing, The Trash Is Flying, And Ian Kinsler Apparently Hates Texas

[deaknh03]

I don't think anything points to him juicing. he never had huge stats, never had the pulls and tears juicers have, he was just a steady, reliable, above average player, for a long time. He wasn't the best fielder, but was above average, wasn't the best hitter, but was above average, and he came thru when it mattered most. I'm not a fan, but he is a true baseball player, the way it used to be done, and how I would like to see it. I think the Yanks did the right thing by overpaying him to stay a Yankee, he truly deserved it.

[Nuffsaid23]

Jeter's game is all about his consistency. I doubt he ever took PED's but he was able to get good stats on a regular basis. Now adays Jeter may not be the strongest, fastest or best player but he comes up when the Yankees need him. He is one of the strongest mental players to play the game. You don't just stick around the majors for as long as he has just being an average player. His career stars are where they are because he was good enough to put up solid numbers every year. I do think the all star game was way too much all about Derek Jeter this, Derek Jeter that. If you played a drinking game for every time you heard Derek Jeter then you would be in the intesive care unit if you were lucky. I get the feeling now that he feels like he is bigger than the game and you can just see it in interviews and the way he carried himself. Sorry for the long post

[deaknh03]

I think Jeters last game at Fenway they should bring out all the chicks they can find that he banged and have them there..

[flyfisher]

So is a Jeter a HOF player?  I personally think he will get in and probably first ballot but he is a textbook compiler really.  Long career, slightly above average in most categories, never the best player at his position, never won an MVP etc....but he is a yankee.  If he played in seattle and got the same numbers he is not getting into the HOF...

[deaknh03]

So is a Jeter a HOF player? I personally think he will get in and probably first ballot but he is a textbook compiler really. Long career, slightly above average in most categories, never the best player at his position, never won an MVP etc....but he is a yankee. If he played in seattle and got the same numbers he is not getting into the HOF...

i think his average and hit total get him in...even if he had to play in philly

[flyfisher]

Maybe so...but it is more the hit total aka compiler really which is a feat to be able to play as long as he has.  It does make me wonder though, is Jimmy Rollins a HOF player?  2200 hits, 211 HR, 873 RBI, 444 SB, .268 BA, MVP, 4 All star games(pretty meaningless in my mind), 4 GG (another meaningless stat really) and he is an outstanding fielder with a rocket arm and has a knack for coming up big at the plate in key spots....

[Jigfishn10]

He's a first ballot HOFer. Anyone who has 3,000 hits is an automatic.

[deaknh03]

Maybe so...but it is more the hit total aka compiler really which is a feat to be able to play as long as he has. It does make me wonder though, is Jimmy Rollins a HOF player? 2200 hits, 211 HR, 873 RBI, 444 SB, .268 BA, MVP, 4 All star games(pretty meaningless in my mind), 4 GG (another meaningless stat really) and he is an outstanding fielder with a rocket arm and has a knack for coming up big at the plate in key spots....

Rollins=no

Jeter=yes

regardless of what team either played for..Jeters stats make it, rollins falls far short.

[deaknh03]

He's a first ballot HOFer. Anyone who has 3,000 hits is an automatic.

craig biggio anyone..

[Jar11591]

So is a Jeter a HOF player? I personally think he will get in and probably first ballot but he is a textbook compiler really. Long career, slightly above average in most categories, never the best player at his position, never won an MVP etc....but he is a yankee. If he played in seattle and got the same numbers he is not getting into the HOF...

I disagree with calling him a "compiler". Anyone with a career .300 average is an exceptional hitter. His I believe is .311. Any career .300 hitter is a HOFer no matter what city he plays in.

[Jar11591]

In my opinion, and I am certainly no Yankee fan, Jeter is absolutely a hall of famer. He remained clean in an era of tainted stats. Above .300 average, even found the power stroke a few seasons. 12+ all star appearances, he has the rings, the 3000 hits. One of the greatest of the modern era IMO. And I am an Atlanta fan, not a Yankee fan!

[flyfisher]

well the .300 hitter rule is not even close to a lock in the HOF, i can think of probably 10 right off the top of my head that are not in.  Jeter no doubt had a long run of success from a team perspective.  As far as Jimmy goes, just look at all the other SS in the hall and he compares a lot better than you think.  I personally don't even think Jimmy will get in but i just wanted to show that they are not as far apart as yo think.  Really the only thing Jeter has on Jimmy is BA, from a hits perspective they are about the same per year with Jeter getting 30 more hits per 162 games.  Also, team success isn't what the hall of fame is about, it is about the player.  You also have to remember that Jeter was always protected in the batting order by a juicer lol  

[Jigfishn10]

craig biggio anyone..

2 votes short, I'm pretty sure he'll get in.

[Jar11591]

well the .300 hitter rule is not even close to a lock in the HOF, i can think of probably 10 right off the top of my head that are not in. Jeter no doubt had a long run of success from a team perspective. As far as Jimmy goes, just look at all the other SS in the hall and he compares a lot better than you think. I personally don't even think Jimmy will get in but i just wanted to show that they are not as far apart as yo think. Really the only thing Jeter has on Jimmy is BA, from a hits perspective they are about the same per year with Jeter getting 30 more hits per 162 games. Also, team success isn't what the hall of fame is about, it is about the player. You also have to remember that Jeter was always protected in the batting order by a juicer lol

Generally, a lifetime .300 average is a lock for the HoF. Especially Jeter who has the 3000 hits. For me it's not even a question, Jeter is a HoFer. He hit over .330 in four different seasons, and only hit under .300 in four complete seasons, the lowest being around .270. Certainly the most known player of the modern era, and one of the best who remained controversy-free. You would be surprised how many great hitters, who are in the Hall, don't have a .300 lifetime BA. Reggie Jackson for example has a lifetime BA of .267. To me that's what a compiler is. He has the 500 homers, but never had the average. Don't get me wrong, Jackson should be there, but I think Jeter is certainly deserving of a first round entry. Generally accepted for a Hall of Fame lock is :

.300 BA

3000 H

500 HR

300 W

Sub 3.00 ERA

Of course there are some exceptions, but that's a general rule. Add Jeters 12+ allstar appearances, and I'm not sure what more he could have done, apart from the power numbers, to get into the Hall. Jeter just hit and hit and hit year in and year out.

[flyfisher]

I am not saying he isn't or shouldn't make the hall of fame just merely pointing out that him being in a big market helped out a lot and his numbers aren't that much better than others out there.  Longevity definitely helps.

[Jigfishn10]

The AL East has gotten pretty tight, not that anyone out of the east will do too much in the playoffs. At least the division race will be interesting.

[flyfisher]

I don't have a dog in the fight but I am curious to see what Amaro, the worst GM in baseball, does as far as trades go.  There seems to be a lot of interest in quite a few players which always makes me wonder if everyone else wants the players then why can't they win....oh well it's the life of a philly sports fan i guess.

[Jigfishn10]

I was flippling thru the MLB network and they were reporting a Cliff Lee rental/trade? I didn't catch much of the report, but it begs to ask: If you want to build a team, why would you rent out one of your better pitchers in the game?

[flyfisher]

Cliff Lee is signed through 2015 and if he pitches 200 innings next year he has a vesting option that requires a big buyout if i remember correctly.  So i guess he is a rental but more of a longer term rental.

 

I think the phillies are not as far off as people think but with Amaro at the helm, they are pretty much dead ducks.

[deaknh03]

I was flippling thru the MLB network and they were reporting a Cliff Lee rental/trade? I didn't catch much of the report, but it begs to ask: If you want to build a team, why would you rent out one of your better pitchers in the game?

Lee is 25 mil per year and I think 27 mil for 2016 if he hits 200 innings in 2015, with a 12 mil buyout. not many teams can and/or want to pick up a 35 year old for 25 mil, on the downslide of a good career.

[Jigfishn10]

I guess he throws more than gas:

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/cliff-lee-passes-gas-to-signal-interview-s-end-144610332.html

[Jar11591]

Hey Jigfishn10, looks like Lester will be on the move. Who woulda thought that the Sox would sellers a year after winning the series? I guess Lester said if he is traded, he would be open to re-signing in Boston after the year is over. How about you send him over to Atlanta?

[Jigfishn10]

Hey Jigfishn10, looks like Lester will be on the move. Who woulda thought that the Sox would sellers a year after winning the series? I guess Lester said if he is traded, he would be open to re-signing in Boston after the year is over. How about you send him over to Atlanta?

Lester is saying the right things, but he's p1$$ed off, he won't come back. I hope he does go to a real contender, he's money in the playoffs!

[Jar11591]

Lester is saying the right things, but he's p1$$ed off, he won't come back. I hope he does go to a real contender, he's money in the playoffs!

 

 

The only team I've heard of having interest in him is LAD. Can you picture a rotation of Kershaw, Grienke, Lester, Ryu and either Beckett or Haren as the 5th? That's scary. The Orioles need pitching but I doubt they would trade him to a division rival. Maybe the Angels or Mariners?

[Jigfishn10]

My guess is that the Sox will make a last ditch effort in retaining Lester, and will trade away Koji, Andrew Miller, Johnny Gomes and Mike Carp - who wants to be traded anyway. There are reports that the Sox are in the Kemp talks, so who knows, maybe Lester is part of that deal.

 

I know they need to get something for him now if they can't come to terms later, but I find it hard to believe that you would not make a concerted effort in retaining quality pitching. Especially for a guy who can play in Boston and has also come through the system.