B_Gilbert Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I hate to admit it but I will buy a few of these just to see if the hype is real... However, is it just me or is it weird that they don't have a true medium diver?? The Jr is 4 feet and the master 14 which is obviously 14 feet. Sooo for 8-10 feet they just want you to keep your rod tip up in the air with the master 14??? Seems weird to me... Am I missing something?? Quote
moguy1973 Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 If you really are buying into their technology, the one that helped Howell win the classic is an 8-10' diver but it's not out yet. Quote
gripnrip Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 The majority of Randy's fish wasn't caught on the Livingston. There has been a big debate over that prototype that he used. I don't doubt that he caught some fish on it but I do believe the DT6 Demon he used won him the Classic. Not the Livingston. 2 Quote
B_Gilbert Posted March 2, 2014 Author Posted March 2, 2014 I was actually thinking about buying them before the classic but I'm not going to hide it, him throwing it at the classic made me decide to officially try it lol. As pathetic as that sounds I'm sure, I'll give it a try The majority of Randy's fish wasn't caught on the Livingston. There has been a big debate over that prototype that he used. I don't doubt that he caught some fish on it but I do believe the DT6 Demon he used won him the Classic. Not the Livingston. Grip the majority of his fish were caught on the DT-6, however he culled all but one fish with the Livingston.. 2 Quote
TorqueConverter Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 The lights and croaking noise is pretty gimmicky. I can barely hear the croaking over the sound of the spit rings on my Livingston DD14. I like the Livingston DD22 because it's a DD22 that gets down to 20 feet. We'll see what Livingston Lures has in store for the future, but as it is now, the baits are "classic plastics" Bill Norman style baits in traditional colors with a faint croaking noise and the occasional red glowing eyes. They're alright for $9.99 but I wouldn't pay $12 for one. Quote
Dyerbassman Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 And once the battery wears out, gimmick is over. Quote
Super User Jrob78 Posted March 2, 2014 Super User Posted March 2, 2014 We'll see what Livingston Lures has in store for the future, but as it is now, the baits are "classic plastics" Bill Norman style baits in traditional colors with a faint croaking noise and the occasional red glowing eyes. They're alright for $9.99 but I wouldn't pay $12 for one. This is the problem I have with them too. I'm not sold on the sound technology and the baits that are out now wouldn't be something I would pay $12 for if they didn't make noise. If they come out with some baits that I would be willing to buy based on the bait alone, I will probably get some to try out. They are also supposed to be coming out with some swimbaits, same will go for them. Quote
SpencerLittle Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 The majority of Randy's fish wasn't caught on the Livingston. There has been a big debate over that prototype that he used. I don't doubt that he caught some fish on it but I do believe the DT6 Demon he used won him the Classic. Not the Livingston. He did catch his numbers not the dt6, but he culled all his fish except one on the Livingston. He had caught a seven pounder early on the dt6 that he never upgraded. Quote
TorqueConverter Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 This is the problem I have with them too. I'm not sold on the sound technology and the baits that are out now wouldn't be something I would pay $12 for if they didn't make noise. If they come out with some baits that I would be willing to buy based on the bait alone, I will probably get some to try out. They are also supposed to be coming out with some swimbaits, same will go for them. That crank that aided whatshisface in wining the classic was a JDM looking Livingston bait. Well see if maybe that bait and its colors are good in their own right. If I'm going to trow a gimmicky bait then the gimmick better just be along for the ride like the Storm Arashi "self tuning eye" and "invisible" fluorocarbon. I feel that the product has to stand on its own two feet and am almost ashamed to admit that I just bought a DD14 and DD22 with blinking lights on them. Quote
Missourifishin Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 If you really are buying into their technology, the one that helped Howell win the classic is an 8-10' diver but it's not out yet. Yeah, I read that somewhere too. That the prototype he used dove in the 8-10' range. As for the hype. I'm still on the fence about whether I'll even buy a single one to try out or not. Quote
SpencerLittle Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I think they'll catch fish. Whether they catch them better than a normal non noise emitting bait I don't know. My guess is it's a solid bait, but the noise does no better than the rattles that are currently used. Quote
Koofy Smacker Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 The prototype bait that he was using which didnt have a name at the time was just renamed the "Howeller Dream Master Classic" since his win. It is part of the new Team Livingston series of cranks which have not been released to the public yet but will be later this year. The bait he was fishing was also a true 6-10ft diver which falls right in line with the DT6 and its color is called Guntersville Craw with the same EBS technology found in every other Livingston on the market today. It is true that he culled every fish except for that first 7lber which he caught on the DT6 and upgraded almost 6 pounds which put him in the winners seat for the classic. To the responder about the battery, it is guaranteed that it will last for at least 200 hours of in the water time to keep working. There are several baits that have been tank tested for 300+ hours which do still work. 1 Quote
B_Gilbert Posted March 3, 2014 Author Posted March 3, 2014 My understanding is the lure basically has a hydrowave built in and there are a lot of guys who swear by those... Thats what makes me wonder about it... 1 Quote
SpencerLittle Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 My understanding is the lure basically has a hydrowave built in and there are a lot of guys who swear by those... Thats what makes me wonder about it... Yessir I do believe that is the concept they are going for. Quote
bflp3 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I was just reading about how electronic noise makers in lures have difficulty creating a noise that is loud enough to hear over the ambient water noise. I tried shaking a Livingston in a store, I couldn't hear anything. Do they need to be turned on before they make noise? Quote
nowicki2005 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I was just reading about how electronic noise makers in lures have difficulty creating a noise that is loud enough to hear over the ambient water noise. I tried shaking a Livingston in a store, I couldn't hear anything. Do they need to be turned on before they make noise? I believe they are water activated. Turn on in the water and go off out of the water. Quote
TorqueConverter Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I was just reading about how electronic noise makers in lures have difficulty creating a noise that is loud enough to hear over the ambient water noise. I tried shaking a Livingston in a store, I couldn't hear anything. Do they need to be turned on before they make noise? They claim they activate in water. I can take mine and place the hooks up against the body so the the bends of the treble hooks are facing each other and get it to go off. I'm going to place plastic hook protectors over the hooks when in my deep crank box to keep them from going off and killing the batteries. There is some sensor in the bait that is able to detect the presence of water and it is being fooled by the hooks. Once the croaker is activated it emits the croaking sound as the bait moves. Moving the bait one the croaking has begun causes he bait to continue croaking. Once moment has stopped the bait stops making the croaking noise and then triggers an LED lamp located the head to illuminate the eyes, bill and head portion of the bait. I guess their intent is to have the things croaking away, albeit quitely, when cranking then stop making the sound and glow red once the bait is paused, bumps bottom ect. I like the hard, robotic like action of DD22s in dirty deep water. The DD22 doesn't quite get down to 20 feet. The dive master 20 is a 20 foot diving DD22 that lights up sometimes. Kinda neat Quote
Comfortably Numb Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Touch both hooks at same time to activate. The chirps are VERY faint. I could barely hear them when held to my ear. The traditional rattles inside totally drown them out. I think they should have put stationary weights and not rattles along with the electronic chirp. Maybe they tried that and it was not as effective. It is a solid quality made bait. But for $12 you can get two or three of a similar lure without the electronics. I belive a DT10 would have caught the same fish the Livingston did. Quote
TorqueConverter Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 So the hooks are like leads on a multimeter. Once there is continuity between the leads it completes the circuit. Quote
B_Gilbert Posted March 3, 2014 Author Posted March 3, 2014 I was just reading about how electronic noise makers in lures have difficulty creating a noise that is loud enough to hear over the ambient water noise. I tried shaking a Livingston in a store, I couldn't hear anything. Do they need to be turned on before they make noise? No I believe they have to be in water... But I'm not %100 percent sure... Quote
bflp3 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 That's a clever way to save battery. I was suspicious they were a gimic when I saw how hard they were advertising them last year. I'll wait and see on these. Quote
gripnrip Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 That's a clever way to save battery. I was suspicious they were a gimic when I saw how hard they were advertising them last year. I'll wait and see on these. Well up until now, people have thought they are a gimmick. If you looked at other hardbaits in BPS, there were some empty pegs. The Livingstons were stocked. Now that Howell caught a few fish at the classic, they won't be able to keep them on the shelf. Quote
Koofy Smacker Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 You can touch each hook hanger after wetting your fingers to connect the circuit and get it to go off and do a cycle. Also, the chirps are magnified 10x when actually in the water. It IS faint in air but throw it in a fish tank and youll hear it Quote
blongfishing Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I was gonna buy that but mostly wanted the Rapala. Every store was sold out. Quote
Super User Felix77 Posted March 3, 2014 Super User Posted March 3, 2014 My Gander Mountain actually had the DT-6's fully stocked. I bought one just because it was there. Sad but true ... LOL Quote
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