GaterB Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 What are the limitations of this reel in terms of the size of lure they can handle? I like that they are smaller and have a shallower spool, but was wondering if they can handle more than just lightweight worms and such. Thanks for the advice in advance! Quote
FlipnLimits Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 It can do it all Sweet reel, but can't cast a frog too far with the tiny spool. Not knockin' it, because I like it, but it's got its place. Quote
Tartan34 Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I fish a frog setup on one of mine, and it tosses it just as far as any other reel I own. I have 50 # braid with mono backing, and it does the trick quite well, actually. Quote
FlipnLimits Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I fish a frog setup on one of mine, and it tosses it just as far as any other reel I own. I have 50 # braid with mono backing, and it does the trick quite well, actually. It surely casts as well as any reel. But the distance is simply impossible as it has a smaller spool, I.e. less line Quote
Cgrinder Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 It loses a little distance vs. the Chronarch 200E with 1/2 oz spooks and frogs in my experience. Not a lot, but enough to notice. Quote
BobP Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I also think it's mostly about spool size and weight. It's not a matter of can or can't do, but about performance emphasis. The 50 size excels at throwing smaller baits and does just fine with T rigs and stuff up to 1/2 oz. Above that, a reel with more line capacity and a heavier spool begins to shine. That's not to say a 50 can't do the larger stuff, it's just that it doesn't do it as well as a larger reel. You can fill a 50 with 20# braid and it will do a lot of things that a larger reel will do. But a bigger reel with a heavy spool will "diesel" a cast farther than a 50 if you are throwing a 3/4 or 1 oz C-rig or a 1+ oz swimbait. I really like the 50 size Shimanos for T-rigs and smaller crankbaits. Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 2, 2014 Super User Posted March 2, 2014 It surely casts as well as any reel. But the distance is simply impossible as it has a smaller spool, I.e. less line It will hold more line than you can throw on one cast. Quote
FlipnLimits Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 It will hold more line than you can throw on one cast. lol, mine is bigger than yours! Depends on what you're doing with it. 12# line for 1/4oz crankbaits, nobody can spool it. I think most people can spool that tiny thing easily, casting a frog. Remember, 50# braid eats real estate quickly, on that spool. The OP asked for limitations, this is them. Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 2, 2014 Super User Posted March 2, 2014 lol, mine is bigger than yours! Depends on what you're doing with it. 12# line for 1/4oz crankbaits, nobody can spool it. I think most people can spool that tiny thing easily, casting a frog. Remember, 50# braid eats real estate quickly, on that spool. The OP asked for limitations, this is them. It will hold about 85 yards of 50lb braid. That's about twice as far as someone could cast a 3/4 oz jig. Quote
FlipnLimits Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 It will hold about 85 yards of 50lb braid. That's about twice as far as someone could cast a 3/4 oz jig. Add a bit of backing and you are down some more distance. I get to the backing on mine, and had to swap reels for good. My partner super tunes his reels, he will spool a 100 sized reel with a frog. Jigs don't fly well with appendages, but why cast a jig that far anyways. Nonetheless, the 50 is not optimal for the job (frogs/spooks) regardless of casting distance, the 100 is, it has a heavier and deeper spool. The 50 will be close to being maximized on a long cast. If that's ok, then go for it, but realize the 50 has limitations regarding some applications and that's what the OP asked about. You can use spinning gear with frogs, but would you? I think of towing with a V6, it can do the job, but has to work much harder to do it. Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 2, 2014 Super User Posted March 2, 2014 Add a bit of backing and you are down some more distance. I get to the backing on mine, and had to swap reels for good. My partner super tunes his reels, he will spool a 100 sized reel with a frog. Jigs don't fly well with appendages, but why cast a jig that far anyways. Nonetheless, the 50 is not optimal for the job (frogs/spooks) regardless of casting distance, the 100 is, it has a heavier and deeper spool. The 50 will be close to being maximized on a long cast. If that's ok, then go for it, but realize the 50 has limitations regarding some applications and that's what the OP asked about. You can use spinning gear with frogs, but would you? I think of towing with a V6, it can do the job, but has to work much harder to do it. Your partner is casting over 100 yards????? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote
FlipnLimits Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Your partner is casting over 100 yards????? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Not bad huh? Look at this real amateur. And he probably hasn't been bass fishing for 25 years. For what it's worth, I was answering a question, not starting a size comparo with you I don't care how you far anyone casts, it's about weight at the end of the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK6D0m8MZ08 Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted March 2, 2014 Super User Posted March 2, 2014 Nobody casts a frog 100 yards let alone 75. Most people dont really understand how far that really is. All my 50 siZe reels have 20 yds of backing to accommodate 200 yd spools to get 3 "topshots" at 65ish yds. The 50 can fish frogs fine but i dont like it. I use 50s for anything from jigs to topwater just not frogs. The 200 have a 7:1 gearing that i like for frogs. 2 Quote
Super User Jrob78 Posted March 2, 2014 Super User Posted March 2, 2014 The problem with using reels with smaller spools isn't that you will spool the reel. Nobody is casting 70 yds, I don't care what they say. The problem is you lose a lot of ipt when you cast the majority of the line off on a long cast. 1 Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 2, 2014 Super User Posted March 2, 2014 Nobody casts a frog 100 yards let alone 75. Most people dont really understand how far that really is. All my 50 siZe reels have 20 yds of backing to accommodate 200 yd spools to get 3 "topshots" at 65ish yds. The 50 can fish frogs fine but i dont like it. I use 50s for anything from jigs to topwater just not frogs. The 200 have a 7:1 gearing that i like for frogs. There's a guy here who thinks they do. Quote
Loop_Dad Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 It will hold about 85 yards of 50lb braid. That's about twice as far as someone could cast a 3/4 oz jig. lol, mine is bigger than yours! Depends on what you're doing with it. 12# line for 1/4oz crankbaits, nobody can spool it. I think most people can spool that tiny thing easily, casting a frog. Remember, 50# braid eats real estate quickly, on that spool. The OP asked for limitations, this is them. Agree with FlipnLimits. Maybe not with jigs but with 3/4 oz lipless crank or spoon I run out of the line under right conditions with 200 sized reel spooled with 65 lbs braid. 50 size might not hold enough depending on what you are doing with it. Quote
FlipnLimits Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 There's a guy here who thinks they do. With all due respect, you were the only one who said "100yds". I simply said, "spooled". I don't know how many yards exactly, there's backing to consider. And yes, people spool 100 sized reels. Why is that so hard to believe? 25 years ago we had bag phones, believe it or not. Tech gets better, so did reels. I don't cast too far, I keep everything stock for the most part. But a 50, I spool with a frog. Again, no offense, I extend a handshake of peace and this is twice now. Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 2, 2014 Super User Posted March 2, 2014 No hard feelings. I just think with a full spool it would be hard to throw all your line out on any reel. Quote
FlipnLimits Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 No hard feelings. I just think with a full spool it would be hard to throw all your line out on any reel. No hard feelings Was just speaking from personal experience with these smaller brethren. I agree 100% with your above statement, except for the 50. The added backing, 1/8" from top of spool, and smaller spool add up. And I love the 50s! Quote
BobP Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Eyeball estimates of casting distance are pretty subjective, especially over water. But just for the record, I have a book titled "Precision Casting" that researches how deep commercial lures actually dive. The authors wanted to know what real world "average" and "long" casts were so they could design a course to measure how deep crankbaits dived. So they tested multiple casts by a group of experienced fishermen over a measured course. An "average" cast turned out to be 70 feet and a "long" cast turned out to be 100 feet. That's FEET, not YARDS. Just FYI. Do I think there are pro tournament bass fishermen that cast 100+ YARDS with the max 8ft rods allowed on their boats? No. 3 Quote
bootytrain Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Eyeball estimates of casting distance are pretty subjective, especially over water. But just for the record, I have a book titled "Precision Casting" that researches how deep commercial lures actually dive. The authors wanted to know what real world "average" and "long" casts were so they could design a course to measure how deep crankbaits dived. So they tested multiple casts by a group of experienced fishermen over a measured course. An "average" cast turned out to be 70 feet and a "long" cast turned out to be 100 feet. That's FEET, not YARDS. Just FYI. Do I think there are pro tournament bass fishermen that cast 100+ YARDS with the max 8ft rods allowed on their boats? No. Yeah people are horrible at guessing distances, myself included. So I test my reels with a line counter. While frogs can be heavy, they aren't very dense, so in my experience they cast good, not great vs say a lipless crank. Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted March 2, 2014 Super User Posted March 2, 2014 Not bad huh? Look at this real amateur. And he probably hasn't been bass fishing for 25 years. For what it's worth, I was answering a question, not starting a size comparo with you I don't care how you far anyone casts, it's about weight at the end of the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK6D0m8MZ08 And he wasn't even throwing hard! I was throwing a 3/4 oz. saltwater spoon using 40# Sufix Performance with a stock Gen 1 STX-L on a Jupiter 7' MH that was getting close to my backing, but it definitely wasn't a 100 yard cast although I feel it definitely was over 50 yards. May have to take the hook off this summer, and see how far it actually casts. I keep reading about 100 yard casts, and would like to know how much shorter my casts are. I just got decent with a b/c reel a couple years ago. Switched to them in '09 so I'm sure I'll not be very close. I use my 51E for lighter baits. I feel that is what the reel was primarily designed for so why not use it for that. If I want to use a heavier lure on a small size reel, I would give one my Alphas size reels a shot. 1 Quote
Super User tomustang Posted March 2, 2014 Super User Posted March 2, 2014 Hit up a school football field and find out how far you can actually throw. Quote
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