DatBass Posted February 16, 2014 Author Posted February 16, 2014 you may have heard, but I know.... I had one. The heavy was horrible for spinnerbaits and what you want to use them for, VERY stiff. I remember when I had that rod, I had jut started fishing and couldn't be accurate as I wanted to be with my cast. I was fishing with a buddy of mine and he said Let me see your set up, he cast it, and said Needham your problem is your rod.... you are using a d**n heavy jig rod trying to throw a spinnerbait on it. HE WAS RIGHT. the H bucco didn't have the tip needed to throw spinnerbaits, buzzbaits and all the stuff you said you wanted to throw on it. get the MH. you will still be able to throw 3/8 jigs on it. you may have heard, but I know.... I had one. The heavy was horrible for spinnerbaits and what you want to use them for, VERY stiff. I remember when I had that rod, I had jut started fishing and couldn't be accurate as I wanted to be with my cast. I was fishing with a buddy of mine and he said Let me see your set up, he cast it, and said Needham your problem is your rod.... you are using a d**n heavy jig rod trying to throw a spinnerbait on it. HE WAS RIGHT. the H bucco didn't have the tip needed to throw spinnerbaits, buzzbaits and all the stuff you said you wanted to throw on it. get the MH. you will still be able to throw 3/8 jigs on it. Then does the MH acually feel like a MH or a M Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted February 16, 2014 Super User Posted February 16, 2014 you may have heard, but I know.... I had one. The heavy was horrible for spinnerbaits and what you want to use them for, VERY stiff.It just depends on what H model you had. They have certain H models that have the ratings of a med/hvy and also certain med/hvy models that have the ratings of a med. Then they have H and med/hvy that have true ratings for that rod. There is no set standard in the fishing industry for power ratings. A 7'6 MH Veritas has a 1.5oz lure rating but so does a 7'6 Jadewood XH. OP here is a chart of Falcon rods. Choose your model based on the correct length,power, and action of what you want to throw. Quote
Brian Needham Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 I haven't felt one in 3 years........and all manufactures have different meanings for their ratings. I do remember the H was too much rod to be throwing what you said you wanted to throw....... granted it the time I was throwing mostly 3/8ths stuff, and I am not sure even a 1/2oz spinnerbait would been any better. Quote
Brian Needham Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 that chart does not have the bucoo model I had on it......... mine was a 7ft H Bucoo. even with that chart, if you want a bucoo, neither of the two bucoos on that chart will be good for you. Quote
DatBass Posted February 16, 2014 Author Posted February 16, 2014 idk, but surely im going with a 6'10" medium heavy or heavy. i need a shorter rod for pitching and twitching without slapping the water. Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted February 17, 2014 Super User Posted February 17, 2014 My Falcons are Originals, Experts and one Cara. All Mediums are rated 1/4-1/2 while MH rods are rated 1/4-3/4. For me the MH Swim Jig Special rod listed above falls into the ML catagory. However, I have noticed that some crankbait rods seem to carry a smaller weight range than a standard casting rod of the same power. Take the 7' MH Tour Edition KVD cranking rod...1/4-1/2 while the 6'10" MH casting rod is rated 3/8-3/4 oz. My new 7'7" Medium Ballistic cranking rod carries a rating of 1/4-3/4 which is what I am use to thinking of as a MH power rod. No standards among manufacturers means guys like me can be easily confused. I'd have to go with some of the other posters. Determine what weights you will be fishing. Pick a rod whose rating covers those weights...preferably a rod where the weights you want to fish are in the middle of the rod's rating. I think you will be happier fishing 1/2 oz. lures on a rod rated for 1/4-3/4 than on a rod rated 1/4-1/2 as many rods seem to perform best with weights in the midrange of their ratings. Quote
bootytrain Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 that defies the laws of physics if we are talking tip speed and I think we are since casting distance was talked about. If you can swing the 7ft rod as fast as you can swing the 6'6 then yeah the tip speed would be greater, but its like a baseball bat, the longer the bat, the harder it is to swing, so if someone cant generate the same speed with the longer rod then the tip speed advantage is negated. 7ft rods feel a bit unwieldy to me so I cant consistently get a good stroke on it like I can with a shorter rod. Quote
Brian Needham Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 you don't have to swing the 7 foot as fast to get the same speed as 6'6..... so you will still cast farther, period. now if you cant handle the 7 footer, then that is something different. Quote
Super User NorcalBassin Posted February 17, 2014 Super User Posted February 17, 2014 What is a better length for an all-purpose/versatile baitcasting rod ? 6'10" or 7'? Why or why not the problem is that i like both lengths. the rod im looking at is the falcon bucoo, so even if they have the same action and stuff, i just cant decide on what i want oh yea i forgot to mention that its mostly for topwater but i will occasionally use it for jigs idk, but surely im going with a 6'10" medium heavy or heavy. i need a shorter rod for pitching and twitching without slapping the water. Bro, you're really starting to confuse me! If you're mostly going to use for topwater you definitely don't want a heavy. 1 Quote
bootytrain Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 you don't have to swing the 7 foot as fast to get the same speed as 6'6..... so you will still cast farther, period. now if you cant handle the 7 footer, then that is something different. That's what Im saying lol.. I cant swing or handle a 7+ ft rod as well as a 6'6 so I can cast farther with the shorter rod. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 17, 2014 Super User Posted February 17, 2014 I know everyone ALWAYS says a longer rod casts farther, and I agree, somewhat. However, I can hurl any half way aero bait with my 6'2" topwater rod further than anything else in my rod locker. I suppose it helps that I have a cracker of a Zillion on it, but that's sort of the point of post - it's a combination of things that make a long cast. Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted February 17, 2014 Super User Posted February 17, 2014 I know everyone ALWAYS says a longer rod casts farther, and I agree, somewhat. However, I can hurl any half way aero bait with my 6'2" topwater rod further than anything else in my rod locker. I suppose it helps that I have a cracker of a Zillion on it, but that's sort of the point of post - it's a combination of things that make a long cast. ^^ Right on the money ^^ If you compare apples to apples, the longer rod should cast further. The apples are the brand, model, line and lure weight ratings and the lure that's being casted being the same. I have 8' rods than do not cast as far as some of my 7 and 7'6 rods, the specs are identical but different brands. Quote
0119 Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Not to hijack the thread but I have a question. Does a jig rod have to be over 7 feet to be a good rod for jigging? No crankcaster, it doesnt have to be 7ft. "Pro's" and manufacturers have just made it vogue. In a couple of years when the sales numbers drop, "pro's" will pump up new shorter is better technology, to kick up more sales. Use what you find works for you. I jig for much bigger fish than bass with shorter and non technique specific rods all the time. Quote
carlm01 Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 I use my 2 loomis 6' more than any other of my rods .. I tend to be more accurate with them ... Quote
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