Super User Catt Posted February 13, 2014 Super User Posted February 13, 2014 Thanks for understanding Tom. Speed isn't a a problem reflexively. It is that I am not sure if that little hit is actually in its mouth or just a hit and leave. As for hooks, do they REALLY matter that much from the chinese made ebay specials to trokar??As some one once said, bass do not have hands!That little hit or hit & leave was still in its mouth! This is all we are given to decide on setting hook or not, I choose to set hook. Some of the littlest bites I've ever felt were from the biggest bass I've ever caught! Quote
Super User Catt Posted February 13, 2014 Super User Posted February 13, 2014 Denny Brauer when asked what a jig bite felt like? He answer was, I don't know what a jig feels like but I know what it doesn't feel like! The interviewer said, I don't understand? Denny replied, at this stage of my understanding of jig fishing I still set hook on twigs, grass, & even nothing. But at the end of the day I'm confident no bass bite my jig & I did not set hook! Let that soak in! Quote
Super User Teal Posted February 13, 2014 Super User Posted February 13, 2014 Denny Brauer when asked what a jig bite felt like? He answer was, I don't know what a jig feels like but I know what it doesn't feel like! The interviewer said, I don't understand? Denny replied, at this stage of my understanding of jig fishing I still set hook on twigs, grass, & even nothing. But at the end of the day I'm confident no bass bite my jig & I did not set hook! Let that soak in! Hook sets are free. Quote
mram10us Posted February 13, 2014 Author Posted February 13, 2014 I use braid religiously. As for "hook sets are free", I thought they said the "when in doubt, set the hook" adage was not correct? If the best hook setters are using it, then so will I. Quote
Super User Catt Posted February 13, 2014 Super User Posted February 13, 2014 I have been watching all the videos I can find about how to hook better. I enjoy deep jig fishing or carolina rig in 40 ft. It seems when I watch these guys, they get a tap, reel down with a little slack for a couple seconds, then set the hook at 2 or 10 oclock over their head. As for me, I feel a tap, and go to jerking. Is there a specific feeling I should get? When I feel the tap, should I reel down while keeping a little slack in the line, then set the hook a couple seconds after the initial tap assuming they are taking it in their mouths? Thanks guys. Couple seconds? Assuming they are taking it in their mouth? Help Me With Better Hooking Technique! Quote
mram10us Posted February 13, 2014 Author Posted February 13, 2014 Catt, Can I help you? Not sure what your point is. Feel free to clarify. Quote
bassguytom Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Best answer. Same. With a C-Rig you are using a lighter wire hook so sweeping works best for me. When deep jig fishing the hook is thicker so to drive it home I remove the slack then cross the eyes. I use braid to floro for both these techniques. Quote
Super User Catt Posted February 13, 2014 Super User Posted February 13, 2014 Catt, Can I help you? Not sure what your point is. Feel free to clarify. Your problem aint technique! Quote
mram10us Posted February 13, 2014 Author Posted February 13, 2014 Either you are saying this out of blatant ignorance or you have watched me fish and can tell me what I'm doing wrong. Since we haven't met, I'm assuming you're ignorant and bored. Quote
Super User Catt Posted February 13, 2014 Super User Posted February 13, 2014 Uhh! Blatant ignorance! And you're the one asking for help! Your problem is you don't know when to set hook cause you don't if the bass has the bait or not. Quit over thinking it & set the hook already! What's the worst that can happen...you'll catch a fish! Quote
mram10us Posted February 13, 2014 Author Posted February 13, 2014 How hard is that to say in a helpful way? Put aside the other minutia you wrote and summarize by saying, "Don't over think it, simply set the hook." See how easy it is to be kind to people? I am guessing you would if we were in person. See Tom's example, along with many others. They have heard this question before, but were kind enough to answer. 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted February 13, 2014 Super User Posted February 13, 2014 I gave you the answer, you refuse to accept it! Indecisive! You can't make up your mind if you really got bit, so you're hesitating before yoy set hook! The bass are highly decisive, they spit you lure while you're trying to decide! Another example of being indecisive is talking about being all friendly in public while sending PMs to the contrary! 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted February 13, 2014 Super User Posted February 13, 2014 With underwater lures that are out of sight strike detection is the most difficult factor to master. The most diffult lure to determine a strike with is a jig followed by T-rigged worm then your C-rig. We have a long thread on jig fishing where this topic is discussed. The reason a jig is difficult to determine a strike is the LMB engulf it in a blink of the eye and kill the crtiter by crunching it between the base of the tongue and rough of the mouth and can reject just as fast. The first tap maybe the jig going in, the second is the jig going out and you need to set the before the second tap. The bigger the bass is the harder it may be to detect a strike. When bass are hot and active feeding strike detection is fairly easy because they are aggressively and moving. Texas rigged worms with a sliding weight the worm/ creature feels alive to the bass and they often hold it in the mouth longer, sometimes swallowing it if they don't feel the weight or line tension. You feel a tap and have a little more time to get a hook set. You can often lower the rod tip, reel in some slack line and hook set into slack line. Carolina rig the worm/creature is weightless to the bass, they often don't feel weight until they move off after eating the soft plastic. Bass swallowing C-rigged worms is common, hook setting is easier because you have more time, but too much time is a problem with gut hooking. The bottom line is you rarely can't hook set too fast with LMB. You will develope your strike detection and improve timing with practice. Learn to look at your soft plastics for teeth marks, sand paper texture, to determine if what you thought was a strike was a strike. We all miss strikes. Tom Quote
Super User WRB Posted February 14, 2014 Super User Posted February 14, 2014 mram10us,, Don't bite the hand that feeds you! What takes me a paragraph to say Catt gets the point across is a short sentence, very skilled angler and teacher. A lot of members read these threads and stay in the background. By answering your specific question often helps others who use what applies to them and leave what doesn't. Good luck with your fishing. Tom 1 Quote
mram10us Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 Tom, You teach in a respectful way. I have been military for 20 years. I don't need anymore condescending types "teaching" me, when there are good guys like you and many others out there. Catt, gave good advice in 3 prior posts on page 2, but then came #32. There is no reason to act like that. Maybe I took it wrong, but I really don't see how else to take : Couple seconds?Assuming they are taking it in their mouth?Help Me With Better Hooking Technique! Again, thank you for your time and advice. Quote
Super User Catt Posted February 14, 2014 Super User Posted February 14, 2014 20 yrs in the military! Huh!! Couple seconds? Assuming they are taking it in the mouth? Help Me With Better Hooking Technique! Are those your words or not? You will never be successful with Jigs/C-rigs @ 20', 30', or 40' if you remain indecisive. I tried being subtle but you refuse to acknowledge the "weak" link is you! And you call me ignorant! Quote
dave Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I may be mistaken but, someone in this thread's name is mentioned. nevertheless, I like this video. Quote
mram10us Posted February 14, 2014 Author Posted February 14, 2014 Dave, I will check out the video, thanks. Catt, I NEVER said it wasn't me. In fact, that is why the title is "Help ME with better hooking technique". I never blamed my gear. Simply asked for help with my technique. I want as many pointers as I can get from experienced guys, in a helpful way. As for the ignorance comment, the definition is incomprehension or unaware of. We have never met, so you do not know what I am doing wrong, since you haven't seen me try a hookset. The word ignorance is mistaken many time for a slam, I was simply saying you can't tell me what I am doing wrong since you haven't watched. You could however, give me advice as to what works for you. Either way, if you want to continue OUR conversation, I sent you a PM. I would like this to be helpful for others that are having the same problems, rather than a P-contest. Either way, thank you for the 3 helpful posts you gave prior to #32. Quote
Super User WRB Posted February 14, 2014 Super User Posted February 14, 2014 As long as your hook setting technique works for it's good. This thread asked for help and answers were given. Bo's video points out a couple of important things, how he manages the line to detect strikes; line over the finger tip and under the thumb. Bo's slack line whip set is similar to a snap set and works good when the jig isn't too far away, within 60' or so. The reel and sweep set works for me when the jig cast over 60', it's a instant judgement that you develop with time. With jigs snoozers lose, react instantly. It's always better to make shorter cast under 60' if possible, better lure control and easier hooks sets. Sometimes you need to make longer cast to reach bass in clear water without spooking them or fish in low light or night when these bass are less wary. Tom Quote
mram10us Posted February 16, 2014 Author Posted February 16, 2014 Perfect Tom. The comment about reacting quickly with jigs is different than what I thought. Thanks. Going out monday and testing a bunch of different jigs with trailers for an upcoming tourney, so I will let you know how it goes. I have to cast about 50+', then let it drop 40' down, so I have well over 60' of line out when jigging. Quote
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