Stlbob Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 shoudnt count,hand feed,exported,etc,etc..A LM caught in its native unaltered enviroment should be the only way it gets in the book.Just the way it was caught in 32'.. 1
Super User flyfisher Posted February 10, 2014 Super User Posted February 10, 2014 Not many places have largemouth as a native fish...i believe that it was originally only native to a small part of eastern NA. And by hand feed they do not mean they are physicall had feeding, it means they are supplementing the forage bass by adding in trout. 1
cnpusbp Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Yes of course. But anymore there is so much manipulation by mankind in everything natural that controversy is likely to be heavily involved. Look at the genetic controls used on whitetail deer now with high fence ranches, controlled hunting to manage for preservation of better genetics, paying for the size of deer killed, selling valuable semen from big bucks. I know there are lots of genetic studying of bass going on - particularly in Texas with secret lakes and lunkershare programs to try to propagate larger fish. I'm not saying any of this stuff is necessarily right or wrong - but there will be a time when a bigger bass is caught - probably a genetically gifted fish with an un-natural natural environment (a lake full of rainbow trout for example). Records are made to be broken LOL.
Stlbob Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 i may have phrased it wrong but the result is the same. A food source introduced into an eco system....a man made food source..
Stlbob Posted February 10, 2014 Author Posted February 10, 2014 i also dont use cheat codes on games,or cheat on my tax's,help little ol' ladies across the street,etc,etc.....lol...i am a dudley do-right...
boostr Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 shoudnt count,hand feed,exported,etc,etc..A LM caught in its native unaltered enviroment should be the only way it gets in the book.Just the way it was caught in 32'.. Yeah we don't need any Bonds, Rodriguez bass swimming around.
1234567 Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 Kurita has already stated hes seen bigger bass in Biwa than his world record catch. 1
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted February 10, 2014 Super User Posted February 10, 2014 I dont.It was caught in a time before we could apply the pressure that we can now to the natural habitat of Big Un's.. It just isnt out there.Now do i think some genetic hybrid with growth hormones or the result of a breeding program,maybe.But it will always have a little star next to it.Kind of like the baseball hero's of today doping themselves up.. Thats too bad,but i think that will be a record our grand children will still be talking about. To the OP I do think it will be broken. Regarding the validity of the future catch it is up to the record keepers to verify it and that would be IGFA. They do not discriminate between genetic hybrids and natural fish or unnatural food sources. They do exercise a pretty rigorous protocol for the establishment of a new record. 1
Super User flyfisher Posted February 10, 2014 Super User Posted February 10, 2014 So really the only way a bass should be the record is if it is one of hte original native fisheries so all of texas, california and i beleive florida are out and if additional forage is introduced that doesn't count either so pretty much every fishery is out then too... Now if it is some dude growing a big fish in a 150 acre pond in an attempt to get a record then that i have a problem with but since the majority of lakes did not naturally have bass and bass were added in to be part of a healthy fishery i don't have a proiblem with that at all. Just because you can grow a big fish, doesn't mean you can catch her too....
Super User WRB Posted February 10, 2014 Super User Posted February 10, 2014 There are more myths about world record size largemouth bass than facts. Myth starts with the Perry 22 lb 3 oz LMB, not enough facts to support this bass was authentic. Dottie was never weighed officially at 25.1 lbs and released before authenicated. The Kurita 22 lb 5 oz LMB is the official authenicated world record and this bass goes down as a tie with the Perry LMB. The facts are a world record LMB is a Florida strain transplanted to a ecosystem with cool deep structure that has high protein base prey source. The cool water (70f) allows the FLMB to live longer outside of their natural range. A world record size bass doesn't get that size as a adult bass unless the food source and sanctuary areas allow fast growth as a juvenile size bass. Giant bass need a head start to continue to grow, gain weight and sanctuary areas to survive. All giant bass have one thing in common; they are pure FLMB strain from Florida's cool water areas like Cypress Gardens. The reason this is important the genetics of this FLMB allow this strain to live longer; 15 years in lieu of 10 years is a big advantage. The original California and Japanese transplant came form this region of Florida. Yes there could be another giant LMB swimming somewhere, both California and Japan are potential places. Africa, Cuba and Mexico could also produce giants over 20 lbs., time will tell. Tom 1
Super User geo g Posted February 10, 2014 Super User Posted February 10, 2014 In nature the system is for organisms to continue to get stronger, bigger, faster, and smarter. Its natural selection, and the top dog, horse, lion, bear and tiger are the ones that breed. The fish that makes it up the river, over the rapids, past the bears are the ones too breed. So the stong survive. The weak get filter out of the gene pool by competition, and / or mother nature. The Bigger, stronger, faster, live on and father the next generation and the cycle just continues. There will be bigger bass in the future unless man screws it up!
jhoffman Posted February 10, 2014 Posted February 10, 2014 I think too there will be a fundemental shift in harvesting of game fish in the next ten to twenty years. This younger generation isnt worried about feeding their family, theyre in it to catch big ol pigs. As this generation ages and the eat em up generation dies, you will see bigger bass as an average. It too will happen in the woods as the majority gives up hunting to seek other activities with instant gratification.
Super User flyfisher Posted February 10, 2014 Super User Posted February 10, 2014 I think too there will be a fundemental shift in harvesting of game fish in the next ten to twenty years. This younger generation isnt worried about feeding their family, theyre in it to catch big ol pigs. As this generation ages and the eat em up generation dies, you will see bigger bass as an average. It too will happen in the woods as the majority gives up hunting to seek other activities with instant gratification. You could also say the flip is true as it can lead to undeharvesting. I know a few of the trophy lakes around managed by slot limits encourage you to take your limit of under the slot sized bass to furhter enhance the possibility of larger fish growing and allow the natural forage to be comsumed by larger rather than small bass. I am convinced that there are a lot more larger fish out there than people think but unless they are caught, or shockedu p there is no way to know. I do know here in VA there was a report that two state record beating fish were shocked up in the past few years so they are out there now it is just figuring out how to catch them
Super User A-Jay Posted February 10, 2014 Super User Posted February 10, 2014 Yes, I think that a record bass will be caught - when, who knows. But it's not like we're talking about aliens or Big Foot here. This is something that statistically speaking, is reasonably conceivable, at least to me. There are just way too many vast & fertile impoundments on this planet not to have a few fish in them that push the boundaries of the record. As the world and the global climate changes, so will the size of the fish. Might not be for the better initially, but as time goes on, sooner or later someone, some where, will set the hook and land the fish that we all secretly dream about. A-Jay
Super User Wayne P. Posted February 10, 2014 Super User Posted February 10, 2014 In the 1970's, bass in the 30# class were caught by commercial fishermen on Lake Jojoa, in Honduras. That resulted in a lot trips there to fish for them. No angler ever caught one larger than the world record though. Look it up. 1
Super User Catt Posted February 10, 2014 Super User Posted February 10, 2014 If we take out all the Florida & Northern bass that has been transplanted most of y'all wouldn't be fishing. Texas Share-A-Lunker does nothing but hatch the eggs from 13# plus bass, return the female to the waters it was caught, & stock the fingerlings in various lakes. Personally I think Japan will break the recotd again real soon. 2
coryn h. fishowl Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 I dont.It was caught in a time before we could apply the pressure that we can now to the natural habitat of Big Un's.. It just isnt out there.Now do i think some genetic hybrid with growth hormones or the result of a breeding program,maybe.But it will always have a little star next to it.Kind of like the baseball hero's of today doping themselves up.. Thats too bad,but i think that will be a record our grand children will still be talking about. Well, the new record was just caught in Japan, a country with waaay more fishing pressure than here in the states. So even in a country where some people are doing nothing but finesse fishing from the banks and paying $200 for swimbaits it's possible.
Super User WRB Posted February 11, 2014 Super User Posted February 11, 2014 The last 20+ lb LMB caught in CA was March 2006, comming up on 8 years. The last 20+ lb LMB caught world wide was July 2008, nearly 6 years ago, Kurita WR. The spawning season in Japan is approx July, the spawn in CA is approx March. Every 20+ lb LMB officially weighed was caught during late pre spawn or spawn, when they are at the max weight. The one exception being the Perry bass reported to be caught in June 1932 from a southern Georgia small shallow oxbow lake....at least 3 months after the spawn for that region. Pure FLMB were introduced in Japan during mid 90's and Kurita's WR bass was from that stock, those bass are dead now (15+ 1995= 2010) and their offspring must carry on the gene pool. I don't know if Biwa lake had Northern LMB population before the FLMB were stocked? There is a good possibility that Japan has more giants, I don't believe CA has any more giants over 20 lbs at this time, hope I am wrong! Tom
Super User Catt Posted February 11, 2014 Super User Posted February 11, 2014 The sharelunker program this year produced a 6 year old ,12.5 pound bass .Good growth .At lake Naconiche,they tracked the genetics somehow. Dude do your research! The 12.54 Lake Naconiche record is the offspring of ShareLunker #370, which spawned at the TFFC in Athens Tx. The bass was 8 yrs old when caught in April 2013 ShareLunker does not accept bass under 13 pounds! 1
Super User WRB Posted February 11, 2014 Super User Posted February 11, 2014 The Texas state record is 18.12 lbs caught Jan 1992 from Lake Fork. Texas has an excellent bass management program and bass fishing state wide. Lake Fork hold the majority of giant bass caught in Texas, 8 of the top 10. This thread is focused on 24 lb LMB, that bar is set higher than may be possible, 20 lber's are extremely rare bass. Tom
Buckboy Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 i think that at some point someone will but i think that the fish will have the hormones and such
Super User Catt Posted February 11, 2014 Super User Posted February 11, 2014 I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's already been caught. It is not inconceivable that before people carried cameras or scales and before the internet age that a huge bass of that stature was caught and became dinner. I do believe somewhere that fish is swimming around. I also believe that many great fish caught of all species are never recorded or certified, accidental catches happen all the time. I know guys who fish Texas waters that have caught 18-19 lb bass but you will never hear any offical, they are hunting the elusive 20 lb mark. What was intersting about the Lake Naconiche record was not just her mother who was ShareLunker #370 from Falcon. Its father has even deeper roots in the ShareLunker program. Its mother was ShareLunker #305 from Fork Grandmother was ShareLunker #184 from Fork Greatgrandmother ShareLunker #9 from Gibbons Creek
Super User RoLo Posted February 11, 2014 Super User Posted February 11, 2014 <snippet> All giant bass have one thing in common; they are pure FLMB strain from Florida's cool water areas like Cypress Gardens. The reason this is important the genetics of this FLMB allow this strain to live longer; 15 years in lieu of 10 years is a big advantage. That is true, but I'd like to expound a little on "Cypress Gardens". Cypress Gardens was the name of a theme park that hosted water shows on Lake Eloise (I live 20 min away). Now defunct Cypress Gardens was replaced by another theme park called "Legoland" (3 in the world). In 1959, Lake Eloise was the site of the first Florida-strain bass transplanted in California. The Florida 'documented' record bass is a 20 lb 2 oz bass that was 31" long with a 27" girth. Then in 1973, Dave Zimmerlee caught a 14-year old Lake Eloise transplant from Lake Miramar, California that weighed 20 lb 15 oz, besting the Florida record by 13 oz. Roger
Super User roadwarrior Posted February 11, 2014 Super User Posted February 11, 2014 Hmm... For some reason I can't find the record on an official State Of Florida website. I did find another site with the state record at 17-4.
mnbassman23 Posted February 11, 2014 Posted February 11, 2014 Yes, I think that a record bass will be caught - when, who knows. But it's not like we're talking about aliens or Big Foot here. This is something that statistically speaking, is reasonably conceivable, at least to me. There are just way too many vast & fertile impoundments on this planet not to have a few fish in them that push the boundaries of the record. As the world and the global climate changes, so will the size of the fish. Might not be for the better initially, but as time goes on, sooner or later someone, some where, will set the hook and land the fish that we all secretly dream about. A-Jay X2 It is naive to think it won't be broken at some point in time. I see it happening in my life time. 1
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