Garret88 Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 I bought a 7'6 XH Duckett Micro Magic a little while back and paired it with a Revo STX. It's not balanced at all. The balance point is about a finger width above the hook keeper. The STX weighs about 6.46 oz. Anyone know how much heavier of a reel I should get to better balance the rod? Maybe like a 7.5 ounce? I'll just put the STX on something else. Quote
Smallmouth Hunter Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 New curado I, chronarch E, curado G.. Quote
WdyCrankbait Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 I was going to say, look at a 50e series. Smaller reel should help that balance point issue. Quote
Garret88 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Posted February 5, 2014 I was going to say, look at a 50e series. Smaller reel should help that balance point issue. i need a bigger/heavier reel to bring the balance point closer to the reel seat i'd think. Quote
Super User Tywithay Posted February 6, 2014 Super User Posted February 6, 2014 I was going to say, look at a 50e series. Smaller reel should help that balance point issue. That kind of defies logic... I would recommend something like the new Curado, or a Tatula. An extra ounce makes a pretty big difference in balance. Quote
Grantman83 Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Daiwa zillion...heavy but reliable and smooth 1 Quote
mjseverson24 Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 you are correct you do want a heavier reel, the tatula at 7.9 oz would be a good match, Lews superduty at 7.8 is a beast. the lews tournament MG is another good option at 7.9. probably the best balance you will get with that rod would be with one of the ardent flipping reels they are over 10 oz. Mitch Quote
Smallmouth Hunter Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 I was going to say, look at a 50e series. Smaller reel should help that balance point issue. You would be correct if he was talking about a rod with the hook keeper on the handle (butt side of the reel seat). I think the veritas has a hook keeper infront of the reel seat though (guide side of the reel seat) so in this case a heavier reel would balance it out. Quote
SenkoGuru Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 I have that Same Rod with a Lew's Super Duty and it balances very well. I would say a Reel in the 7.5 Oz range would be perfect. The Daiwa Tatula would also be very good on that rod, when I first got my Tatula I put it on that rod for a little while but went back to the Super Duty for Pitching, because I wanted to use the Tatula with Swim Jigs/Spinnerbaits. Quote
Drewski73 Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Curado 200DHSV. Put a Hawg Tech on that bad boy, fill it with 65lb braid and get some! Quote
Super User Tywithay Posted February 6, 2014 Super User Posted February 6, 2014 You would be correct if he was talking about a rod with the hook keeper on the handle (butt side of the reel seat). I think the veritas has a hook keeper infront of the reel seat though (guide side of the reel seat) so in this case a heavier reel would balance it out. The placement of the hook keeper makes no difference. If a rod is noticeably tip heavy, you need more weight at the back of the rod, regardless of the hook keeper. A heavier reel, or a balancing system, will give you the added weight. Quote
5fishlimit Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Daiwa zillion...heavy but reliable and smooth I agree. I have two, and both are on a Duckett. Great match! Quote
Garret88 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Posted February 6, 2014 The placement of the hook keeper makes no difference. If a rod is noticeably tip heavy, you need more weight at the back of the rod, regardless of the hook keeper. A heavier reel, or a balancing system, will give you the added weight. if you want to use the reel as the fulcrum or balancing point then the position of the hook keeper which is my current fulcrum definitely matters. If the hook keeper is in front of the reel and its tips heavy that means i need a heavier reel. if the hook keeper was behind the reel and it was still tip heavy, then i need a lighter reel. Quote
Garret88 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Posted February 6, 2014 I was thinking of a daiwa zillion or ardent f700. I can test out my buddy's f700 which could help me make my decision since i have no experience with zillions. If i'm not mistaken both of those reels have the closest max drag to revos. Quote
Super User Tywithay Posted February 6, 2014 Super User Posted February 6, 2014 if you want to use the reel as the fulcrum or balancing point then the position of the hook keeper which is my current fulcrum definitely matters. If the hook keeper is in front of the reel and its tips heavy that means i need a heavier reel. if the hook keeper was behind the reel and it was still tip heavy, then i need a lighter reel. If the hook keeper is behind the reel and it still feels tip heavy when you hold the reel...you still need more weight at the back of the rod. If the hook keeper is above the foregrip and it feels tip heavy when you hold the reel, you need more weight at the back of the rod. It changes nothing. Quote
mjseverson24 Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 If the hook keeper is behind the reel and it still feels tip heavy when you hold the reel...you still need more weight at the back of the rod. If the hook keeper is above the foregrip and it feels tip heavy when you hold the reel, you need more weight at the back of the rod. It changes nothing. OP do not listen to this person they are 100% incorrect. Your statement saying your balance point is forward of the hook keeper makes the location of the keeper important to know wether the reel should weigh more or less. since the keeper is forward of the reel seat you need more weight on the reel or a balancer on the butt to make the rods balance point closer to the reel seat. Mitch 1 Quote
Garret88 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Posted February 6, 2014 OP do not listen to this person they are 100% incorrect. Your statement saying your balance point is forward of the hook keeper makes the location of the keeper important to know wether the reel should weigh more or less. since the keeper is forward of the reel seat you need more weight on the reel or a balancer on the butt to make the rods balance point closer to the reel seat. Mitch That's what I was leaning toward as well. If the balance point was behind the reel, you either still need a balancer on the butt or a lighter reel. Quote
Super User Tywithay Posted February 6, 2014 Super User Posted February 6, 2014 That's what I was leaning toward as well. If the balance point was behind the reel, you either still need a balancer on the butt or a lighter reel. That's correct. That doesn't concern the hook keeper though. Quote
Super User Tywithay Posted February 6, 2014 Super User Posted February 6, 2014 OP do not listen to this person they are 100% incorrect. Your statement saying your balance point is forward of the hook keeper makes the location of the keeper important to know wether the reel should weigh more or less. since the keeper is forward of the reel seat you need more weight on the reel or a balancer on the butt to make the rods balance point closer to the reel seat. Mitch The location of the hook keeper being behind or in front of the reel is of little consequence. If the BALANCE POINT is forward or behind the reel, that tells you whether or not you need a lighter/heavier reel. Quote
BenB54 Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 If i'm not mistaken both of those reels have the closest max drag to revos. I wouldn't base my reel selection on how close the max drag is to another reel, anything with 10lbs + is going to be way more than capable for your needs. At least I assume this is a flip/pitch/punch setup? I would check out the new Curado or a Chronarch E/Ci4+. Quote
Garret88 Posted February 7, 2014 Author Posted February 7, 2014 The location of the hook keeper being behind or in front of the reel is of little consequence. If the BALANCE POINT is forward or behind the reel, that tells you whether or not you need a lighter/heavier reel. Youre right. But we are referring to the hook keeper being the balancing point. So therefore its location is relevant in this scenario. 1 Quote
Garret88 Posted February 7, 2014 Author Posted February 7, 2014 I wouldn't base my reel selection on how close the max drag is to another reel, anything with 10lbs + is going to be way more than capable for your needs. At least I assume this is a flip/pitch/punch setup? I would check out the new Curado or a Chronarch E/Ci4+. I agree. Im just used to revo drag and it gives me the confidence to know its closer to the revo max drag. Quote
AMAC Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 I bought a 7'6 XH Duckett Micro Magic a little while back and paired it with a Revo STX. It's not balanced at all. The balance point is about a finger width above the hook keeper. The STX weighs about 6.46 oz. Anyone know how much heavier of a reel I should get to better balance the rod? Maybe like a 7.5 ounce? I'll just put the STX on something else. Tape some quarters to the butt of the rod. I saw an old timer do it. He swore it did the trick......... Quote
5fishlimit Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Daiwa zillion are going for a good price. Check it out. 1 Quote
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