Super User Team9nine Posted January 29, 2014 Super User Posted January 29, 2014 The price shot up $150 for mostly cosmetic tweaks. My response was to address his general question of why a JDM/enthusiast reel like the Steez cost 3-4X your typical outfit. As I know you're well aware, that reels actual $150 price increase (intro'ed 2006 Japan, 2008 US @ $450 - Now $600) has been pretty well documented to be attributed to the drop of the Yen to the US Dollar. From 2006 - Dec. 2012, the Yen lost 36% to the dollar while the Steez has risen 34% in price. They've simply kept pace with the decline to maintain profit margins. Only in the last year has the Yen started to recover about half that value. Fortunately, Japanese inflation has been completely flat, otherwise they'd probably be charging more by now. -T9 1
Maico1 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 if its the equipments price point that makes it enjoyable to you, then youre looking at it all wrong. i have an old $20 shakespeare tiger spincast combo i got from walmart that has lasted me several years(maybe 7 now) and is still going strong. i have had many of my most enjoyable fishing moments fishing this combo and still use it to this day. ive hauled in 24 inch striped bass with this combo, no problem. and plenty of fiesty catfish too. 20inch+ bass, yep. so really, my point is, the price of the reel or the name on it shouldnt matter when it comes to enjoying yourself. i enjoy the act of fishing, has nothing to do with the equipment. id get enjoyment if all i had were a cane pole or a soda bottle with line wrapped around it. so no, im not buying that enjoyment bs. and seriously, i stated my intentions werent to hurt anyones feelings(ie- dont want to talk bad about anyone), but i also stated my opinion bluntly as i could without beating around the bush. a $600 reel for bass is a waste of money in my eyes, and they sell for that price because the people making them know there are people dumb enough to buy it. once again, sorry, but there is no way to change my mind on this, paying that much for a bass fishing reel is not justifiable by any means, that price is pretty ridiculous no matter how you look at it First of all this is not intended to hurt your feeling for I do not want to talk bad about you and at the same time do want to beat around the bush. However I must ask you why do you feel the need to call people "Dumb and Wrong" because they spend more than you on their Fishing Gear and enjoy using it just as much as you claim you do.You my fellow board member need to understand that you could certainly get your point across without the need to call people Dumb and Wrong because they do not see the world as you do. Which makes me wonder why do you even respond in such a crass way when no one else has made such statements . I must say I do have some advice for you, and that would be you may want to change your Moniker to "Scorched Earth" because bluntly that is your approach...... 1
bootytrain Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 My response was to address his general question of why a JDM/enthusiast reel like the Steez cost 3-4X your typical outfit. As I know you're well aware, that reels actual $150 price increase (intro'ed 2006 Japan, 2008 US @ $450 - Now $600) has been pretty well documented to be attributed to the drop of the Yen to the US Dollar. From 2006 - Dec. 2012, the Yen lost 36% to the dollar while the Steez has risen 34% in price. They've simply kept pace with the decline to maintain profit margins. Only in the last year has the Yen started to recover about half that value. Fortunately, Japanese inflation has been completely flat, otherwise they'd probably be charging more by now. -T9 A few holes in your argument guy. Im well aware of the fluctuating dollar/yen ratio. The past year its been in our favor and buying reels from Japan is cheaper than getting the equivalent models here now and has been for awhile. Daiwa went the wrong way in their strategy IMO(until the release of the Tatula) by raising prices and coming out with high end models that the average angler couldn't afford or couldn't justify the price. Just look at the Z200. In Japan they are retailing for slightly cheaper than the Steez, but here they wanted $650 and Tackle warehouse barely sold any so they are dropping the model and currently trying to clear the remaining inventory at half price. 1. Steez and Calais DC came out around the same time, yet Calais DC has remained the same price. Both still made in Japan 2. The cost of certain tackle went up due to the strong yen but also the fact that they were made in Japan(higher yen=higher labor cost) Shimano came out with the made in Malaysia Curado G and priced it accordingly, Daiwa came out with the made in Thailand T3s and wanted $430? now T3s are now discounted heavily. 3. If you are going to jack the price up by $150 then at least give us 1 major improvement. Daiwa should have no problem fitting the Steez with Magforce 3D at least?
bootytrain Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 First of all this is not intended to hurt your feeling for I do not want to talk bad about you and at the same time do want to beat around the bush. However I must ask you why do you feel the need to call people "Dumb and Wrong" because they spend more than you on their Fishing Gear and enjoy using it just as much as you claim you do. You my fellow board member need to understand that you could certainly get your point across without the need to call people Dumb and Wrong because they do not see the world as you do. Which makes me wonder why do you even respond in such a crass way when no one else has made such statements . I must say I do have some advice for you, and that would be you may want to change your Moniker to "Scorched Earth" because bluntly that is your approach...... Look at it like this, going out and getting skunked for 8 hours with a super smooth/refined/super lightweight Core 50 is a lot more pleasureable than going out and getting skunked with a heavier/less smooth/less refined Citica E, which Ive done SEVERAL times lol.. Everybody is having fun when you are catching fish, but the days where you aren't is where the high end tackle helps out a lot with the experience. That's what that guy is refusing to try to understand. 1
Super User Team9nine Posted January 29, 2014 Super User Posted January 29, 2014 A few holes in your argument guy. Im well aware of the fluctuating dollar/yen ratio. The past year its been in our favor and buying reels from Japan is cheaper than getting the equivalent models here now and has been for awhile. Daiwa went the wrong way in their strategy IMO(until the release of the Tatula) by raising prices and coming out with high end models that the average angler couldn't afford or couldn't justify the price. Just look at the Z200. In Japan they are retailing for slightly cheaper than the Steez, but here they wanted $650 and Tackle warehouse barely sold any so they are dropping the model and currently trying to clear the remaining inventory at half price. 1. Steez and Calais DC came out around the same time, yet Calais DC has remained the same price. Both still made in Japan 2. The cost of certain tackle went up due to the strong yen but also the fact that they were made in Japan(higher yen=higher labor cost) Shimano came out with the made in Malaysia Curado G and priced it accordingly, Daiwa came out with the made in Thailand T3s and wanted $430? now T3s are now discounted heavily. 3. If you are going to jack the price up by $150 then at least give us 1 major improvement. Daiwa should have no problem fitting the Steez with Magforce 3D at least? This is all old ground from TT forum. Multiple ways for companies to skin the same cat. Just because one company chose to hold prices on a particular model doesn't mean anything in regards to why the other didn't. Multiple reasons why this could be so from a business standpoint. If it really bugs you so much, just e-mail Daiwa and ask them - maybe you'll get your answer. -T9
bootytrain Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 This is all old ground from TT forum. Multiple ways for companies to skin the same cat. Just because one company chose to hold prices on a particular model doesn't mean anything in regards to why the other didn't. Multiple reasons why this could be so from a business standpoint. If it really bugs you so much, just e-mail Daiwa and ask them - maybe you'll get your answer. -T9 I know because Im on TT. Daiwas business strategy doesn't bug me at all, makes me laugh a little though In case you forgot, the OP was wanting opinions on why they want 600 for the Steez and Im giving my opinion.
Stlbob Posted January 29, 2014 Author Posted January 29, 2014 you know guys i have fished my whole life i was 7 i caught a 17lb black carp,by myself...stomach was sore for a week from the rod butt digging in.Had my pic on the tackle shop wall until i was 12...I say all this because fishing is a part of my earliest memorys.Its a part of my life not just a hobby. I started this thread because i had NO CLUE that a 600.00 dollar reel was even made..I only knew after i spent a moment on the internet..I was floored...I asked the question because i wanted to know how a perfectly good reel could be had for a hundred dollars yet a reel was out there that cost 6x more.I was hoping to clearly see what that difference was,not get everybody ticking on each others leg.i didnt right ticking i guess its some sort of censor software...but you know what i meant. So be mellow..fishing is far to much fun for all these hostil vibes,man.Yes im a cheech and chong fan...lmao.. 2
EvanT123 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Look at it like this, going out and getting skunked for 8 hours with a super smooth/refined/super lightweight Core 50 is a lot more pleasureable than going out and getting skunked with a heavier/less smooth/less refined Citica E, which Ive done SEVERAL times lol.. Everybody is having fun when you are catching fish, but the days where you aren't is where the high end tackle helps out a lot with the experience. That's what that guy is refusing to try to understand. Shoot if getting skunked is more pleasurable with higher end gear Rolex should make reels.
Dr. Watson Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 I'm getting that erie feeling that this thread is going to get locked soon.... 1
Super User SirSnookalot Posted January 29, 2014 Super User Posted January 29, 2014 You completely mis-understood my comment. It had nothing to do with durability, but rather your point that one has to make a choice to catch lesser fish if they spend more on fishing tackle. Didn't mis understand the comment at all, just looking at reality. The reality is that most fish that most people catch are average at best, just how many 10 pound fish are caught by the average angler fishing a few times a week, my guess not many. In today's world smooth reels with excellent performing drags at a modest price are easily obtainable. What should set an upper tier reel apart from an average priced reel is the durability factor over an extended period of hard use. That being said people should by what they want to meet their needs.
Super User K_Mac Posted January 29, 2014 Super User Posted January 29, 2014 you know guys i have fished my whole life i was 7 i caught a 17lb black carp,by myself...stomach was sore for a week from the rod butt digging in.Had my pic on the tackle shop wall until i was 12...I say all this because fishing is a part of my earliest memorys.Its a part of my life not just a hobby. I started this thread because i had NO CLUE that a 600.00 dollar reel was even made..I only knew after i spent a moment on the internet..I was floored...I asked the question because i wanted to know how a perfectly good reel could be had for a hundred dollars yet a reel was out there that cost 6x more.I was hoping to clearly see what that difference was,not get everybody ticking on each others leg.i didnt right ticking i guess its some sort of censor software...but you know what i meant. So be mellow..fishing is far to much fun for all these hostil vibes,man.Yes im a cheech and chong fan...lmao.. Stlbob don't be concerned about your thread taking an unexpected turn. It happens. Most of us here are just like you: Fishing is not just a hobby for us. We come from all socio-economic, political, and religious backgrounds, with a love of fishing in general and bass fishing in particular in common. With that kind of cultural diversity there will always be differences of opinion. Those differences also keep it interesting. What makes this site the best is while we can do the "leg" thing a bit, but if it gets really uncivil Glenn and the Mods will step in to restore order. You asked a good question. Where it goes from there is impossible to predict.
jeb2 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Didn't mis understand the comment at all, just looking at reality. The reality is that most fish that most people catch are average at best, just how many 10 pound fish are caught by the average angler fishing a few times a week, my guess not many. In today's world smooth reels with excellent performing drags at a modest price are easily obtainable. What should set an upper tier reel apart from an average priced reel is the durability factor over an extended period of hard use. That being said people should by what they want to meet their needs. You missed the point again. Here's your comment: SirSnookalot, on 28 Jan 2014 - 00:33, said: Given the choice I'll take great fish on an average gear over average fish on great gear every day of the year. That's the enjoyment that fits my mindset. So your view is that if you fish with higher end gear, you've chosen to only catch "average" fish. This is the incorrect notion I've been addressing. Again, nothing wrong with the way you're enjoying the sport. But there's also nothing wrong with others wanting to fish with higher end gear.
jeb2 Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Stlbob don't be concerned about your thread taking an unexpected turn. It happens. Exactly. Threads take tangents all the time. Not your fault, so just sit back and enjoy the ride.
Super User roadwarrior Posted January 29, 2014 Super User Posted January 29, 2014 Well...Good morning! I'm sure someone will be disappointed that they did not get "the last word", but after 6 pages it seems everyone has had a shot. Let's move on. Goodnight Irene.
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