Stlbob Posted January 27, 2014 Author Posted January 27, 2014 RW thats a really good looking rod your right this reel and the rod i get are going to be used for a little of everything. Going to see if Cabelas or Bass Pro carry it,well then getting the moneys together.I collect vintage lures and it seems to be the right time to do some selling.
Super User tomustang Posted January 27, 2014 Super User Posted January 27, 2014 RW thats a really good looking rod your right this reel and the rod i get are going to be used for a little of everything. Going to see if Cabelas or Bass Pro carry it,well then getting the moneys together.I collect vintage lures and it seems to be the right time to do some selling. I haven't seen one in either store. Also the cabelas outside St Louis has a poor selection of rods to try out.
Trek Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 If my partner got on my boat and said he just spent $600 on a reel and or comb ( I can't see it happening ). I would say sweat ! It's like all that fancy what ever ? Who cares ? If you got it spend it. Let's go fishing and catch some fish.
Super User SirSnookalot Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 I would enjoy just about any reel I received as a gift, except something I had no use for, in that case I'm sure the presenter would have no problem with that. When it comes to me purchasing equipment, it's totally about the fish, why else am I out there. Given the choice I'll take great fish on an average gear over average fish on great gear every day of the year. That's the enjoyment that fits my mindset.
jeb2 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Given the choice I'll take great fish on an average gear over average fish on great gear every day of the year. That's the enjoyment that fits my mindset. There are more choices than that, though. How about great fish on great gear? Nothing wrong with your way of enjoying the sport, but it's not like you have to make a choice to only catch average fish if you have high end gear, as your post implies.
Hogsticker Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Just use it! Is it worth 600 bucks? Who cares! You didn't pay for it!! Steez are very nice, versatile reels. It will be a pleasure to fish with and I'm sure that is what your BIL intended. If someone gifted me a Steez I would be jumping with joy!!!
Grantman83 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Plain and simple enjoy the reel. I've spent boatloads of cash upgrading and customizing reels to my preference. It's no different than people who tinker and play with their cars, motorcycles, guns etc. I get outfished all the time by guys with lesser equipment. Doesn't change the fact that I love having higher end, customized and custom painted stuff. It just makes the experience more enjoyable for me and in the end isn't that what fishing is all about? 5
Hyrule Bass Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 It's not about catching more fish. It's about getting the most enjoyable experience as you can out on the water. Some people get a sense of excitement knowing they're using the best reel. The refinement, and smoothness, and all of that makes it a better experience for them. If it was solely about catching fish, everyone would be fine with ugly stiks and zebco 33s. if its the equipments price point that makes it enjoyable to you, then youre looking at it all wrong. i have an old $20 shakespeare tiger spincast combo i got from walmart that has lasted me several years(maybe 7 now) and is still going strong. i have had many of my most enjoyable fishing moments fishing this combo and still use it to this day. ive hauled in 24 inch striped bass with this combo, no problem. and plenty of fiesty catfish too. 20inch+ bass, yep. so really, my point is, the price of the reel or the name on it shouldnt matter when it comes to enjoying yourself. i enjoy the act of fishing, has nothing to do with the equipment. id get enjoyment if all i had were a cane pole or a soda bottle with line wrapped around it. so no, im not buying that enjoyment bs. and seriously, i stated my intentions werent to hurt anyones feelings(ie- dont want to talk bad about anyone), but i also stated my opinion bluntly as i could without beating around the bush. a $600 reel for bass is a waste of money in my eyes, and they sell for that price because the people making them know there are people dumb enough to buy it. once again, sorry, but there is no way to change my mind on this, paying that much for a bass fishing reel is not justifiable by any means, that price is pretty ridiculous no matter how you look at it
Hogsticker Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Different stroke 4 different folks, but referring to someone who spends there own hard earned cash on a 600 reel dumb, is more dumb......Don't justify your statements by saying "not to hurt anyones feelings".
Super User roadwarrior Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 Well, I think you have made your point...a couple of times. The other side of this conversation has also made their point and they (we) don't think anyone should be telling us how to spend our money! Most of the guys "wasting" big bucks are full grown men that have spent most of their adult lives working hard to get where they are. 6
Super User Tywithay Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 I don't drink, don't smoke, don't hunt, or collect anything. I choose to spend my money on fishing. If someone thinks that's dumb...I don't give two squirts of duck dung. I get more excitement feeling the bite on my $575 rod than I did getting lucky with an ugly stik.
Super User SirSnookalot Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 There are more choices than that, though. How about great fish on great gear? Nothing wrong with your way of enjoying the sport, but it's not like you have to make a choice to only catch average fish if you have high end gear, as your post implies. Assuming one is catching great fish..........For me anyway a 10 or 15 pounder is nice fish but nothing special, fighting one for 5 or 6 minutes is fun, but nothing out of the ordinary. My criteria of a great fish is somewhat different. I judge reels used nearly 7 days a week, used in harsh elements for a good 6 months before I even consider durability. Most of my reels have passed the grade but not all, they are not $600 and many of them are 5 years old. I used a bailess Van Staal today, I'll stick with my gear. What some spend is their business and it doesn't affect me. I spend what I think is appropriate for me, don't think for a second I'm not enjoying.
jeb2 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 There are more choices than that, though. How about great fish on great gear? Nothing wrong with your way of enjoying the sport, but it's not like you have to make a choice to only catch average fish if you have high end gear, as your post implies. Assuming one is catching great fish..........For me anyway a 10 or 15 pounder is nice fish but nothing special, fighting one for 5 or 6 minutes is fun, but nothing out of the ordinary. My criteria of a great fish is somewhat different. I judge reels used nearly 7 days a week, used in harsh elements for a good 6 months before I even consider durability. Most of my reels have passed the grade but not all, they are not $600 and many of them are 5 years old. I used a bailess Van Staal today, I'll stick with my gear. What some spend is their business and it doesn't affect me. I spend what I think is appropriate for me, don't think for a second I'm not enjoying. You completely mis-understood my comment. It had nothing to do with durability, but rather your point that one has to make a choice to catch lesser fish if they spend more on fishing tackle.
Grantman83 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Again. I see people discounting those who spend a lot of money as ridiculous or dumb. First, none of those who spend a lot on reels claimed that those who don't aren't getting enjoyment out of fishing. It is understood that you enjoy fishing even with a zebco etc so there is no need to ram that point home whenever somebody says they enjoy more expensive stuff. Second, there are many fisherman here who may not spend a ton on gear, but may direct it to other hobbies such as cars, guns, hunting etc. Would I claim that spending money for a better gun, better additions towards fixing up a car or the best hunting equipment are wasting their money or are dumb? Absolutely not because I understand that certain people prefer to spend their money in different areas even if I wouldn't. My father has spent large amounts on high prices watches and model Indy cars both of which I have no interest in. But you know what, it makes him happy. Don't be so quick to judge others as foolish or wasteful when others would make the same judgement on you. Rant over 2
Super User Team9nine Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 So what makes it worth this kind of money,and hell i dont have high end rod,i mean they are good rods.. The answer of what makes a certain reel worth that kind of money is the same as what makes anything (cars, cameras, antique lures, etc., etc.) valuable. It's things like the precision workmanship and incredibly tight tolerances that go into the design and building of the item (think Lexus vs. Cavalier), the cost and labor of certain rare or difficult to manufacture materials used in the product, the overall rarity of the item (mass produced vs. only a few, hard to obtain, poor or limited distribution channels, etc. - look at how much anglers paid for early Shad Raps, Chatterbaits or A-rigs when they first caught on but weren't widely available), the cost of new and innovative technology incorporated into the item though not yet in widespread use (think of how much we used to pay for calculators and the first computers compared to what you get for the money now), the overall demand for such items (highly sought in Japan where they are manufactured - good old economic supply and demand), as well as the personal value someone attributes to owning such a piece. As eBay has proven, the ultimate value of anything is only how much someone else is willing to pay for it. Enjoy using such a fine reel, or keep it in the box and save it as 'new' so it retains value. Either way, it really has little to do with catching fish. For a better idea of this particular reels features and what makes it special, see Tackle Tours review from 2006 when they first got their hands on one: http://www.tackletour.com/reviewdaiwasteez.html -T9
bootytrain Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 The answer of what makes a certain reel worth that kind of money is the same as what makes anything (cars, cameras, antique lures, etc., etc.) valuable. It's things like the precision workmanship and incredibly tight tolerances that go into the design and building of the item (think Lexus vs. Cavalier), the cost and labor of certain rare or difficult to manufacture materials used in the product, the overall rarity of the item (mass produced vs. only a few, hard to obtain, poor or limited distribution channels, etc. - look at how much anglers paid for early Shad Raps, Chatterbaits or A-rigs when they first caught on but weren't widely available), the cost of new and innovative technology incorporated into the item though not yet in widespread use (think of how much we used to pay for calculators and the first computers compared to what you get for the money now), the overall demand for such items (highly sought in Japan where they are manufactured - good old economic supply and demand), as well as the personal value someone attributes to owning such a piece. As eBay has proven, the ultimate value of anything is only how much someone else is willing to pay for it. Enjoy using such a fine reel, or keep it in the box and save it as 'new' so it retains value. Either way, it really has little to do with catching fish. For a better idea of this particular reels features and what makes it special, see Tackle Tours review from 2006 when they first got their hands on one: http://www.tackletour.com/reviewdaiwasteez.html -T9 The price shot up $150 for mostly cosmetic tweaks.
Super User K_Mac Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 Red Earth you have often argued that your Ugly Stiks are as good as you or anyone else needs to be a good bass fisherman. You have said that it is stupid to spend more on gear than you do, since you catch as many fish as most anyone else and have a good time doing it. You tell us that it is because we are willing to pay more than you for over-priced and unnecessary gear that it makes fishing more expensive for everyone. The overwhelming majority of fishermen on this site would disagree with you. Many of us have tried repeatedly to explain that there are some issues here that you are unwilling or unable to understand. You have made your point. I hope I've made mine... 7
Super User A-Jay Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 Man - It's like the Hatfield's and the McCoys all up in here. A-Jay 2
Super User K_Mac Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 Man - It's like the Hatfield's and the McCoys all up in here. A-Jay Just a spirited exchange of ideas my friend. 1
Super User Teal Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 Sounds like there's a few guys on here that could use a Snickers bar. 4
Super User A-Jay Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 Sounds like there's a few guys on here that could use a Snickers bar. LOL ~ Sometimes you feel like a nut . . . . . . A-Jay 1
Trek Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 LOL ~ Sometimes you feel like a nut . . . . . . A-Jay No that's Almond Joy not Snickers. 1
Super User A-Jay Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 No that's Almond Joy not Snickers. I knew that - I was playing the Straight Man . . . . A-Jay 1
Super User K_Mac Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 I could go for a Snickers bar...
Super User Jrob78 Posted January 28, 2014 Super User Posted January 28, 2014 This issue is the same as many others in life. People feel the need to put other people down because it makes them feel better about themselves. This especially holds true in matters concerning money. That's the where the term "hater" comes from. 2
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