Do You Know Where This Stuff Is Actually Built?

[primetime]

someone mentioned Tica...you will see they make alot more than okuma if go to their site...they sell under usa names

[primetime]

pure fishing is based on korea, nothing is made in usa anymore, not ardent, or Penn...They are made in china, and so are every single reel you use..Have you looked at boxes..oh, thats right..assembled in America, or Japan. Lumis is not pure fishing made in china as well.

[Jaheff]

pure fishing is based on korea, nothing is made in usa anymore, not ardent, or Penn...They are made in china, and so are every single reel you use..Have you looked at boxes..oh, thats right..assembled in America, or Japan. Lumis is not pure fishing made in china as well.

Sorry, My Avets are made in a factory in Chatsworth, California.  Accurate reels are made in a factory in Corona, California. I guess the Bearings,springs and washers could be imported?

 

[SirSnookalot]

Sorry, My Avets are made in a factory in Chatsworth, California.  Accurate reels are made in a factory in Corona, California. I guess the Bearings,springs and washers could be imported?

That's true.  Not saying this is the case but sometimes raw parts like aluminum or copper stock are bought through a broker and not directly from the mill.  A maker of a reel may want a particular aluminum alloy that is not available thru their local channels, they turn to brokers to shop the item for them.  Again, this may not be the case but is possible.

[webertime]

http://www.glvint.com/index.html

These guys build a TON of the rods in our rod lockers

http://www.doyofishing.co.kr/goods/theme.php?code=2

Who wants a rainbow colored Lews?

 

Primetime, I enjoyed your post, thanks.

[guitarkid]

http://www.glvint.com/index.html

These guys build a TON of the rods in our rod lockers

http://www.doyofishing.co.kr/goods/theme.php?code=2

Who wants a rainbow colored Lews?

 

Primetime, I enjoyed your post, thanks.

 

 

I want the liger, because this is why

 

-gk

 

[webertime]

I was this close to posting that clip.  I think the Liger is to a Zillion what a Miyata is to an MG.

[primetime]

Penn is under 100 (or could be 120 dollars msrp now), made in China. Pure fishing.

 

I Love my Avets, quality at a great price!

Release reels in Virginia is another reel talked about at a good price.

I was not aware of Avet fishing reels and they Look to be very High quality and indeed made in the USA. I think I may take a look at an Avet reel since I would like to add an ultralight spinning reel to my collection, and I could also find room for a large 4000 series spinning reel for various applications when a baitcaster is tough to use. I have no problem with the quality of Fishing products from reputable companies who are outsourcing production to OEM's overseas, as many just can't compete anymore with the costs of building products in the USA vs. cheap labor overseas regardless of the politics since the economy is now global in every industry and we are all using products and wearing clothes made in other countries and I was not trying to state that EVERY reel is now made in China, nor am I knocking any brands.

I still am happy with the quality of Abu Garcia Reels, Pfluegers, Okuma, Quantum, and Bass pro Fishing Reels that my aresenal mainly consists of as well as a few Shimano, Mitchell, and Daiwa reels which are all very good and I trust each one of these companies to have high quality control standards and I have noticed that the customer service from Okuma and Quantum to be fantastic when I have needed parts as they have gone above and beyond what I expected.

I know that a new company named 3:16 is doing both R & D in Tampa Florida where I live, and also manufacturing the products here which I think is great, however the price tag for many of their reels and rods cost more than I am willing to spend but I would love to have one of the baitcasting reels I have seen as they seem to be very High End.

I still find Abu garcia reels to be just as good if not better today than when they were manufactured in Sweden. They still do all the R & D in Sweden (At least that is what I have been lead to believe) and I find reels to be every bit as good as the Shimano Stradics and Curados that I am still fishing that were made in Japan in 2001 and I still have a few Bass Pro Extremes from that same time period and a Abu Royal Express Round Baitcaster which is going strong, and an original quantum 1 bearing Energy Spinning reel.

The only part of the entire overseas Manufacturing that bothers me is the fact that some companies are making inferior copies, and even worse, American sellers are buying these Knock offs and re-selling them in America as being "Genuine". I have sent emails to Ebay about these lures not being custom painted or genuine lucky crafts or other high end brands and have included emails from a few large sellers admitting to me they are knock offs, and I have even sent links to ebay showing the same paint and models for a few bucks, and then showing how these crooks are turning around and selling them as either custom painted Megabass ITO Jerkbaits and other labels without boxes, six new lures never used with one of each pattern in the same size????? I have seen 6 lures sell for over $100 in some cases and that is alot of money for a knock off Luck e Strike Rc Stick, Matzuo 100mm walking lure, and I could go on for days.....

I know that when I purchase a Live Target Gyron from China Direct that it is most likely going to have a different action since the internals were either defective and did not meet the high standards of these companies, or are made with finish that may not last as long, different components etc...But at times, they may be exactly the same, but if they do not have the stamp, then you can't call them Megabass without packaging and permission from the company...I just can't believe guys are not picking up on this...Who would buy 6 or 8 $20 Japanese Lures in 8 colors from a legit retailer in America, open each beautiful package, toss the boxes away, and then put the lures in a tackle box to sell a few months later??

Maybe it's just me, but when I purchased my first Megabass lure, Ima flirt, Spro, Sammy etc...I could not wait to get home and toss that baby in the pool or local pond to check out the action, and see how I can modify the lure to catch fish, and I even save the package just because they are not somthing I buy and see everyday. When any true angler buys lures from Bass Pro, or any store with a large selection, you would never buy all colors of one size (Unless you have alot of money) but most likely grab 2-3 colors of one or two of your favorite lures from Japan to supplement with the Quality Rapala, Smithwicks,Bandits, Excalibur, Strike King etc.....

Sorry for another long ramble, but I will say this about china made reels....Some of the Yokishawa reels are awfully smooth and for #15 the cf2000 feels and handles like a $100 spinning reel, and has landed bass over 8lbs, snook over 20lbs. and many other good size fish for a good year now, and it looks and feels brand new.......The guy who fixes reels for the tackle shop I work for has taken one apart and told me it was every bit as good as the Okuma Trio, Penn Battle, and Quantum accurist, and a browning model which I forget that he fixed at the same time....he actually thought it was a Dawia Aird or Procyon based on the insides.....Just telling it how it is, and I still do not fish it when it matter most however, and not sure why as many of my fishing buddies are loading up on these reels and are not having any issues at all, except for one made by some company swagg and they simply sent him a new reel that arrived in 2 weeks.....

I still believe that the reels may fakes, but if they are, they are using parts from top quality reels and the specs on this reel are fantastic and casts amazing. Makes me upset only because this reel must cost a few dollars to make, and that means so are my $150 reels.

[SirSnookalot]

 

 

I was not aware of Avet fishing reels and they Look to be very High quality and indeed made in the USA. I think I may take a look at an Avet reel since I would like to add an ultralight spinning reel to my collection, and I could also find room for a large 4000 series spinning reel for various applications when a baitcaster is tough to use. 

Avet does not make a spinning reel, there has been talk for the last few years, so far it's just b/c.  I do believe just about every Avet is available both RH & LH.  These reels are all lever drags (once used people fall in love with lever drags) without level winds.  Not only are these reels used for trolling, drifting, and bait fishing but to my surprise how many people use them for surf combos casting and retrieving lures.  I will cast lures with mine every now and then just to stay proficient with a bait caster.

[Jaheff]

Avet does not make a spinning reel, there has been talk for the last few years, so far it's just b/c.  I do believe just about every Avet is available both RH & LH.  These reels are all lever drags (once used people fall in love with lever drags) without level winds.  Not only are these reels used for trolling, drifting, and bait fishing but to my surprise how many people use them for surf combos casting and retrieving lures.  I will cast lures with mine every now and then just to stay proficient with a bait caster.

 

There are some guy's throwing the big freshwater swimbaits on the SXJ Mc, even tho it has no line guide. I've thrown up to 3oz iron on mine in salt.

[Bruce424]

This is exactly what makes me wanna try one of those $30 china made baitcasters you see all over eBay. I'm willing to bet it's darn near the same inside and might perform just as well. If it doesn't then I'm not out anything really.

totally just bought one. its on its way through the mail. ill let you guys know when I get it, how good or bad it is. it got 10 bb and magnetic break. 6.3:1 gear ratio

[Maxximus Redneckus]

I will nudge in on this...i own 50+ abus made in sweden i have owned and used a few bcx abus and u cannot give me one now what a joke .btw when you have a chinese made real that last over 60 yrs then you can walk the walk not just talk the talk .lol

[bootytrain]

I will nudge in on this...i own 50+ abus made in sweden i have owned and used a few bcx abus and u cannot give me one now what a joke .btw when you have a chinese made real that last over 60 yrs then you can walk the walk not just talk the talk .lol

Swedish made is a tad overhyped in my experience. I just had to send back a Swedish made Morrum ZX(the gold and black one) because of pretty crappy build quality, the thumbar was loose as hell and the clutch wouldn't engage fully about 20 percent of the time until I turned the handle several times. The gears felt grindy as hell but someone who has a ZX said that might be normal? Not what I was expecting from legendary Swedish engineering. Stunning reel otherwise and is turning me on to round baitcasters Conquest 50DC is next!

[Maxximus Redneckus]

Ill buy anything but made in china or tiawan...i love japanese reels have a few abu spinning reels made in japan 30 yrs old still rolling

[retiredbosn]

If it only takes an order of 500 reels to have some produced, there should be some thought given to a special run of a Bass Resource reel. Take a portion of the profits and donate to Tackle the Storm.

[Hooligan]

pure fishing is based on korea, nothing is made in usa anymore, not ardent, or Penn...They are made in china, and so are every single reel you use..Have you looked at boxes..oh, thats right..assembled in America, or Japan. Lumis is not pure fishing made in china as well.

Lot of truth in your post, but also some that's not 100%.  I'm not going to get into splitting hairs, as it isn't really that important.

One thing I will say, is that Ardent reels- their upper end reels- are US made, with the only components that are not being the bearings.  Everything else, including the bar stock is from US destinations. 

There's some conjecture in regards to the location and manufacture of a lot of baits, and I can tell you FIRSTHAND that not all of them are created in the same facilities.  A HUGE number of them are, but there are also those higher quality baits that are start to finish made in a single country of origin, two of the larger/higher quality names are such.

But anyhow...  Good info there.

[SirSnookalot]

Unless someone is affiliated with a manufacturing co in a capacity such as a purchasing agent or higher up in the chain, how would one know where raw materials are made.  For an item to be designated " made in the USA", only a percentage of the materials have to come from the States, don't know the exact number but it's no where near 100%.  60-61 aluminium is a very common alloy, it's used for many different things, airplanes, marine, reels, windows, structural extrusions, etc.  Most aluminum companies through out the world manufacture it, it's highly competitive.  

I've been on the shop floor of hundreds of plants, bought millions of pounds of various metals, have seen the tags on new stock, it don't all come for the Good Ole USA.  I have not been on the floor of any American reel company and have never seen the tags on their new stock, couldn't say where the materials originate from.  Ya gotta be there to really know.  The scrap that is generated from machining of products, don't think for a second only US companies buy it, so much of goes overseas, China, Turkey, Brazil, India and Russia.

[0119]

Swedish made is a tad overhyped in my experience. I just had to send back a Swedish made Morrum ZX(the gold and black one) because of pretty crappy build quality, the thumbar was loose as hell and the clutch wouldn't engage fully about 20 percent of the time until I turned the handle several times. The gears felt grindy as hell but someone who has a ZX said that might be normal? Not what I was expecting from legendary Swedish engineering. Stunning reel otherwise and is turning me on to round baitcasters Conquest 50DC is next!

 

That Morrum has been made in Korea for the last 2 series so I wouldnt expect too much from it even if it is assembled in Svangsta now.  Its still Pure Fishing engineered which isnt saying much and its NOTHING when compared to pre 80's true Abu's.   Pure Fishing engineered strictly means, options picked out of a catalog from a OEM factory.

[primetime]

Lot of truth in your post, but also some that's not 100%.  I'm not going to get into splitting hairs, as it isn't really that important.

One thing I will say, is that Ardent reels- their upper end reels- are US made, with the only components that are not being the bearings.  Everything else, including the bar stock is from US destinations. 

There's some conjecture in regards to the location and manufacture of a lot of baits, and I can tell you FIRSTHAND that not all of them are created in the same facilities.  A HUGE number of them are, but there are also those higher quality baits that are start to finish made in a single country of origin, two of the larger/higher quality names are such.

But anyhow...  Good info there.

I am sure I am not 100% accurate on every statement abou every company, and I am sure their are a few high end reels that are produced in the USA, as Many companies Like Ardent Still have an R & D facillity in the USA as do most companies who were once manufactured here.

I don't claim to understand it all, because this new Globilization is complicated, and if something is made in Korea, or China or Malasyia, I just group it into one because they are not made in the States and I always feel bad for the people who have lost their jobs due to offshore manufacturing. I am sure some of the High End Reels of many companies (Especially if it is patented technology) would still be made in the USA and those reels usually are very Expensive and out of reach for the majoriity of people.

I always thought Ardent was still made in America until a few weeks ago actually. I also realize Pure Fishing does not own every company, but they own alot more than I ever realized.

I appreciate your comment and this is a topic that I am very intertested in as you can tell from the length of my posts. I still want to believe that my Quantum Reels, Okuma, Shimano, Abus and Daiwas etc. are better than the less expensive Reels and tackle overseas.....

Bottom line, when it counts on the water, I am not using any reel that is not stamped with a brand I trust, or any lure that is not from a Tackle warehouse, Bass Pro, or reputable retailer as I know that very subtle differences from lure to lure make a huge difference, and that is true for lures made from the same company from different batches.

I have been working on starting my own soft bait line, braid, and even some topwater lures that I have purchased from overseas that I really like, and they work great in local waters, kind of a custom PVC pour like a Roboworm or Megabass texture swimbait.....

[primetime]

I will nudge in on this...i own 50+ abus made in sweden i have owned and used a few bcx abus and u cannot give me one now what a joke .btw when you have a chinese made real that last over 60 yrs then you can walk the walk not just talk the talk .lol

Well said....Just because these Chinese reels are doing well for a season, does not mean they will be rolling smooth in 20 years like my first Curado, Abu Royal Express, or STradic and a one bearing Quantum Energy....But I have heard my father tell me that Japanese Imports used to be considered Junk, and now look? stuff has been made overseas in China for years, and many Janpanese companies import them from China as well which only makes sense....But I think you are spot on with your statement and tough to debate your point.

[fishingman88]

Penn is under 100 (or could be 120 dollars msrp now), made in China. Pure fishing.

 

I Love my Avets, quality at a great price!

Release reels in Virginia is another reel talked about at a good price.

 

+1 on the Release Reels.  They are made in Virginia and definitely are up there in quality.  They are looking to expanding their product line too.

[Hooligan]

Primetime- Don't be confused, though.  Evercast, though owned by Ardent, is not the same as Ardent.  All Ardent reels are US made.  Evercast are not.

Snook- Been there, and seen it first hand.  They use stock for their reels from the US.

[0119]

I believe there was a recent thread announcing Ardent no longer produced reels in the USA.  There site is clearing out what remains of the Edge or whatever previous lines they had, for 30% off.  All other models on their site are specified off shore built.  I guess those poor Mo. factory employees he promised a future to are out of luck.

[Hooligan]

Yeah, that's true.  I had forgotten that they're moving to Chinese production.  Supposed to be by the end of the year.

[frogflogger]

I am amazed at the browning reels I bought at bps sale in sofla 10yrs ago (mi1000's, 10bb) made in Korea I bought them for clients use and they just keep on working - two of them are 5.2:1 so I've used them for grinding crankbaits ad nauseum - they've caught 1000's of fish - I clean and oil every so often and take 'em fishing - I own U.S. built Ardents, I'm very happy with, also calais, curado and high end daiwa , all very good reels but (years later) the Brownings are as smooth and reliable as any of them.  I wonder if they are some kind of one off freak of good production - anyone else have this experience with them?