Super User Goose52 Posted January 17, 2014 Super User Posted January 17, 2014 The only complaint i have is the huge spool capacity/deep spool.. I don't understand why Daiwa insists on keeping such a large spool capacity.. Yeah - X2. I have been fascinated by some of the latest Daiwa products...but the line capacity thing doesn't fit my needs. If all I used was 14-17lb test it would be a good deal but I do most of my fishing with 10lb and thats just toooo much capacity with 10lb. Wish they would come up with smaller capacity models. Quote
kschultz76 Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 If you have liked Cabelas Daiwa offerings in the past you should check out the new Cabelas Verano spinning reel. Based on the specs it looks like a Ballistic with an extra bearing and at 50 bucks less. I think it's why they are selling the Procyon at such a discount right now. Quote
Super User webertime Posted January 17, 2014 Author Super User Posted January 17, 2014 I was actually not talking about the cost of the break itself, but to redesign the cover to put it just for Cabelas. I'm sure the dimensions are different between the two. If I had Cabelas close by, I'll go there and open up the reel to see. OR, maybe we are seeing next version of Lexa. idk. I don't think it's the cover/magnets that need to change, it's the spool. The magnets are in their own part that just bolts/screws to the sideplate. For reference: The original Daiwa Viento was regular Magforce. The Daiwa Smak was a very similar reel with Centrifugal brakes. Today the Viento is still available in Europe, using Magforce Z. All are basically the same real with differnet brakes. Daiwa produces x # of Lexas or Excelers and HOPES to sell them (IE set a higher retail to cover the cost/risk of sitting on stock that doesn't sell well). Cabelas asks for y # of Prodigys, to Daiwa those are ALREADY sold when they are put into production, so their cost is lower and Cabelas can charge what they want. I hope that makes as much sense as it does in my head. Quote
ChiCityBasser Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I have the older Prodigy reel and it was a great buy and with the new Cabelas Verano reel I may be getting that one as well in the high speed lefty version. Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted January 17, 2014 Super User Posted January 17, 2014 Yeah - X2. I have been fascinated by some of the latest Daiwa products...but the line capacity thing doesn't fit my needs. If all I used was 14-17lb test it would be a good deal but I do most of my fishing with 10lb and thats just toooo much capacity with 10lb. Wish they would come up with smaller capacity models. Use your old braid or a heavy mono backing, that way you can put as little or as much 10#line as you like. Quote
Smallmouth Hunter Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I don't think it's the cover/magnets that need to change, it's the spool. The magnets are in their own part that just bolts/screws to the sideplate. For reference: The original Daiwa Viento was regular Magforce. The Daiwa Smak was a very similar reel with Centrifugal brakes. Today the Viento is still available in Europe, using Magforce Z. All are basically the same real with differnet brakes. Daiwa produces x # of Lexas or Excelers and HOPES to sell them (IE set a higher retail to cover the cost/risk of sitting on stock that doesn't sell well). Cabelas asks for y # of Prodigys, to Daiwa those are ALREADY sold when they are put into production, so their cost is lower and Cabelas can charge what they want. I hope that makes as much sense as it does in my head. This is correct. The spool is the only thing that changes in this switch from mag to mag z. The sideplate will very likely be the same size.. Quote
Super User Goose52 Posted January 17, 2014 Super User Posted January 17, 2014 Use your old braid or a heavy mono backing, that way you can put as little or as much 10#line as you like. Yup - that would work and the concept of backing is well known. That still doesn't make it a "right-size" reel for my purposes... 1 Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I've worked on some Lexas and was under-whelmed. At that pricepoint the PQ is a better value IMO. Quote
Loop_Dad Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 This is correct. The spool is the only thing that changes in this switch from mag to mag z. The sideplate will very likely be the same size.. It would make an interesting modification for Lexa owners, if you can just buy mag z spool and swap. 1 Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted January 17, 2014 Super User Posted January 17, 2014 Yup - that would work and the concept of backing is well known. That still doesn't make it a "right-size" reel for my purposes... So what 99 dollar reel do you use now that is the right size? They make a lot of reels that have a shallow spool and are designed for light line, but most are considerable more than 99 dollars. Quote
cddan Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 If it had the free floating spool it would be good for my purposes.I like how far the free floating spool can cast a heavy lure. Reading the Cabelas description it doesn't say. Quote
Super User Goose52 Posted January 18, 2014 Super User Posted January 18, 2014 So what 99 dollar reel do you use now that is the right size? They make a lot of reels that have a shallow spool and are designed for light line, but most are considerable more than 99 dollars. I wasn't aware that any price point had been introduced... Daiwa has some nifty new reels (in all sorts of price ranges) but it seems that they have adopted a capacity of 120yd/14lb as "standard" - T3, Lexa 100, Tatula 100. That's equivalent to about 145-150yds of 10lb. Some anglers, including myself, would like to see a smaller capacity model. It doesn't cost more to build a smaller capacity reel - but Daiwa would have to feel that there is a big enough market to warrant tooling up, and maintaining spares, for an additional model in the product line. Similar situation on the Shimano side. Capacity of the CiticaE and Curado200E was listed as 155yd/10lb. Too much for my 10lb applications....but ideal for 14 or 17lb applications. Then, Shimano released their 50 size line (US market Core and Curado 50). Instant hits - people love them. I guess what many people are looking for is the replacement for the Daiwa Sol - capacity 105yd/10lb. Perfect. Perhaps Daiwa will eventually think so too...or not. Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted January 18, 2014 Super User Posted January 18, 2014 I wasn't aware that any price point had been introduced... Daiwa has some nifty new reels (in all sorts of price ranges) but it seems that they have adopted a capacity of 120yd/14lb as "standard" - T3, Lexa 100, Tatula 100. That's equivalent to about 145-150yds of 10lb. Some anglers, including myself, would like to see a smaller capacity model. It doesn't cost more to build a smaller capacity reel - but Daiwa would have to feel that there is a big enough market to warrant tooling up, and maintaining spares, for an additional model in the product line. Similar situation on the Shimano side. Capacity of the CiticaE and Curado200E was listed as 155yd/10lb. Too much for my 10lb applications....but ideal for 14 or 17lb applications. Then, Shimano released their 50 size line (US market Core and Curado 50). Instant hits - people love them. I guess what many people are looking for is the replacement for the Daiwa Sol - capacity 105yd/10lb. Perfect. Perhaps Daiwa will eventually think so too...or not. I was assuming we were comparing reels similar to the one the topic was about, so I tried to offer a solution that might make a 99 dollar reel meet your needs. If there is not a price range then it opens a lot of options. The newer Daiwa reels have not followed the standard 100/103/105 sized spools,to bad cause it would open up some nice aftermarket spool options. You could always drop the 800 for a T3 air 55 yards of 6lb test, not practical for most of us. The Sol and Pixy come up for sale every now and then, the Alphas was a nice platform that might work also. Hopefully we will see a version of one of these newer reels or one yet to be released in a more finesse appropriate size. Quote
Super User Goose52 Posted January 18, 2014 Super User Posted January 18, 2014 I was assuming we were comparing reels similar to the one the topic was about, so I tried to offer a solution that might make a 99 dollar reel meet your needs. If there is not a price range then it opens a lot of options. The newer Daiwa reels have not followed the standard 100/103/105 sized spools,to bad cause it would open up some nice aftermarket spool options. You could always drop the 800 for a T3 air 55 yards of 6lb test, not practical for most of us. The Sol and Pixy come up for sale every now and then, the Alphas was a nice platform that might work also. Hopefully we will see a version of one of these newer reels or one yet to be released in a more finesse appropriate size. I already have a Sol, two Pixys, and a PX Type R - don't need to shop for those. I'm familiar with the T3 Air but hadn't given it any consideration for my 10lb applications since it would only hold about 40yds... Anyway, my original post was a comment not about the old models...but the new ones. Big capacity; no smaller capacity option. Too bad. I will probably eventually get a Tatuala as I want to play with the t-wing system...just would prefer the option of a smaller capacity model. Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted January 18, 2014 Super User Posted January 18, 2014 I already have a Sol, two Pixys, and a PX Type R - don't need to shop for those. I'm familiar with the T3 Air but hadn't given it any consideration for my 10lb applications since it would only hold about 40yds... Anyway, my original post was a comment not about the old models...but the new ones. Big capacity; no smaller capacity option. Too bad. I will probably eventually get a Tatuala as I want to play with the t-wing system...just would prefer the option of a smaller capacity model. I have heard rumor and seen picture of a reported JDM Tatula that uses what appears to be a spool similar to the HLC spool. There was also a link to a Japanese site with a blurred out picture of what appeared to be a smaller version of the Tatula. Guess we will have to wait and see if becomes available. Hopefully Avail or someone will create a shallow spool for the Tatula. Quote
Smallmouth Hunter Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 I too am un-impressed by the lexa.. The internals were not impressive, specifically the low quality bearings, lack of bearing under CC knob, weak yoke springs, and a few other things.. Quote
Hogsticker Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 Man has this topic strayed a bit, but then again the title was a little odd to begin with. Should have just read new Cabelas reel. Daiwa and Shimano build around what they assume is warranted and wanted by U.S anglers, hence the deep spools. Look on the Japanese side and you will find just the opposite. I do agree however, bring a new Sol type platform to the U.S market. What I don't like about Cabelas, the one in my neck of the woods anyhow, is that they stock and push Cabelas house brand items more so than anything else, plus they drove everybody else out of business. For those who are Cabelas loyalists, I'm glad to see that they are using Daiwa again rather than Quantum. Though the new Verano casting reel appears to be an Okuma Helios. Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted January 18, 2014 Super User Posted January 18, 2014 Went to Cabelas yesterday to check out the new reels. Our store here in Wichita did not have either in stock yet. Said they should have received them on the 1st but were still waiting. I asked if they had many people asking about them, the clerk told me that I was one of the first. Quote
21farms Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 that's gotta be the funniest topic title i've read in a long time...well done, webertime even before opening the thread, i already figured it was about cabela's new house-brand reels. i'm not excited about the baitcasters but that verano spinning reel sure looks good. 1 Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted January 18, 2014 Super User Posted January 18, 2014 If you have liked Cabelas Daiwa offerings in the past you should check out the new Cabelas Verano spinning reel. Based on the specs it looks like a Ballistic with an extra bearing and at 50 bucks less. I think it's why they are selling the Procyon at such a discount right now. I'll have one (or more) of these Verano spinning reels before season opens here. They look great! I can see these replacing my entire spinning collection. I have one of the old Prodigy spinning reels (by Daiwa) and 5 of the white Tournament ZX spinning reels (by Daiwa) and they have been excellent.in both performance and value. Quote
LivewellHero Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I'm wondering how they can even call this a Cabela's reel? Everything about it is Daiwa! Quote
Smallmouth Hunter Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I'm wondering how they can even call this a Cabela's reel? Everything about it is Daiwa! Daiwa "engineers" them for Cabela's.. So pretty much Daiwa makes them for Cabela's. Quote
Smallmouth Hunter Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Cabela's updated their site, and the reels engineered by daiwa do NOT have mag z.. They must have made a mistake. Quote
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