Marketing Ploys

[TorqueConverter]

Bait ball effect, whether that even exist or not aside, does anyone think that having a smaller profile object imbedded within a larger bodied bait has an effect?

 

I used to call up schools of big spots to the surface with Super Spooks.  They'd get shy about the size and throwing a smaller topwater at them once called to the surface would get me bit like crazy.  I'd do this in like 20 mph winds if I had to.

 

Small profile baits get you bit in large numbers yet their ability to displace water and get the attention of fish is not as great as a larger bait.  Clear baits have been around for a while but a small profile within a large clear bait is new to me.

[jtesch]

The bleeding bait concept is not a marketing ploy, KVD said himself that he is a HUGE believer in this idea and uses flashes of red as well as red trailer hooks on his spinnerbaits. Many other predators in the wild are attracted to the color RED as well, and there is a reason why stop signs are RED..high visibility. Fish feed by sight....

the Coler red is the first to be absorbed and in best clear water conditions it is vid able to bass up to 5 foot. In stained and dirty water it may only be visable to a depth of a couple of inches. In most conditions red appears as dark gray or black. Can it be a trigger? Yes in a few conditions but generally it isn't seen by bass. For a while the lure market was flooded with bleeding this and bleeding that, Pure marketing ploy and I'll bet KVD made some decent cash for sticking his name on those lures

[Felix77]

Make no mistake, my friends, the fishing tackle industry can read us like a book and they are only getting better at it every year. By the time we wise up , they have already got their money.

 

Agree 100%.  This thread is a great read ... Ask yourself this ... How many times have you questioned a new innovation but the moment it became accessible (sale, at your local store etc.) that you ended up buying it to "try" it.  It has happened to all of us at one point I bet you.

 

Part of what makes it so interesting.

[jhoffman]

The banjo minnow certianly wasnt a fluke on creek smallies, my cousin cleaned them up on that thing when the bait first came out with me fishing live shiners beside him on a dead drift. I then tried jerkn them like the jerkbait and that wouldnt work. Banjo minnow and it was game on, that thing works.

[bflp3]

the Coler red is the first to be absorbed and in best clear water conditions it is vid able to bass up to 5 foot. In stained and dirty water it may only be visable to a depth of a couple of inches. In most conditions red appears as dark gray or black. Can it be a trigger? Yes in a few conditions but generally it isn't seen by bass. For a while the lure market was flooded with bleeding this and bleeding that, Pure marketing ploy and I'll bet KVD made some decent cash for sticking his name on those lures

In the charts I've seen, reds/oranges actually travel decently in clear water (10-15 ft) and actually travel better in dirty water than the other colors. Bass eyes also pick up red and green colors the strongest. Whats funny is bass eyes aren't very good and seeing blues / violets, which is a favorite color of many bass fisherman (myself included).

[AQUA VELVA]

Remember the blank through line guide rods that were around just a few years ago? They came with a rigging wire so you could pull your line through the rod. Didn't go over to well with the general fishing community and they died a pretty quick death.

[J Francho]

They're still used in many applications, but not in small game/freshwater circles.

[mjseverson24]

the Coler red is the first to be absorbed and in best clear water conditions it is vid able to bass up to 5 foot. In stained and dirty water it may only be visable to a depth of a couple of inches. In most conditions red appears as dark gray or black. Can it be a trigger? Yes in a few conditions but generally it isn't seen by bass. For a while the lure market was flooded with bleeding this and bleeding that, Pure marketing ploy and I'll bet KVD made some decent cash for sticking his name on those lures

You are right the color red is one of the first to be filtered out in relatively clear water, it turns a specific shade of grey(most likely), this shade of grey is now for all effective purposes "red" to bass that live in clear water in deeper than say 7 feet of water... so wether or not they see the red as we intend them to see it is unimportant, only that they see the same shade or spectrum as a bleeding bait or gill plate in the depth that they live, which the red effectively does... And i believe that the light filtration spectrum actually changes when other minerals are present, like dirty water actually reds oranges and yellows penetrate deeper than the blues and violets... lol there are so many variables out there its crazy, i do agree though that for a while there the bleeding bait craze was over blown... 

 

Mitch

[WhiteMike1018]

the Coler red is the first to be absorbed and in best clear water conditions it is vid able to bass up to 5 foot. In stained and dirty water it may only be visable to a depth of a couple of inches. In most conditions red appears as dark gray or black. Can it be a trigger? Yes in a few conditions but generally it isn't seen by bass. For a while the lure market was flooded with bleeding this and bleeding that, Pure marketing ploy and I'll bet KVD made some decent cash for sticking his name on those lures

 

Dosen't really matter if the color fades out after a few feet etc..point is the bass are already conditioned to that praticular shade whether it still appears red or not

 

KVD did make a lot of cash...5.5 million  When he says somthing about bass fishing you should probably listen lol

[fishinthedacks]

The KVD frog...... Why would you buy a frog designed by a guy who doesn't throw frogs!?!?!?

Sure, it'll catch fish. But so will the banjo minnow....

 

 

It's funny you bring this up. Met a couple pros at BPS this week. While discussing frogs they said the Strike King KVD frogs were very underrated because of this. Yet both of them said a KVD Strik King Frog trio was ALWAYS thrown during tournaments no matter what time of year. They honestly told me to throw almost all my other frogs away. Granted I had some they hadn't tried but they both seemed VERY serious about these frogs. They stated that something about the rattle on most days inside his sexy frogs from Strike King seemed to drive bass wild. Could be b/s, could be a sales pitch (yet neither had any strike king sponsors) or could be an inside tip but I certainly bought a couple more. Even though they said I was wasting my time using anything besides white/black on bottom I still bought some with green or yellow.

 

While fishing is my main hobby im also a scratch golfer. While I use Adams woods/hybrid and callaway irons I also know Taylormade Drivers and wilson irons are beasts. So what we stick with doesn't mean other methods don't work.

[Catt]

The #1 marketing ploy out there is to attach the word "Scientific"!

To obtain a "Scientific" endorsement is no more difficult than obtaining a "Pro Angler" endorsement...Money!

I will however place "Technique Specific" at a solid #2!

Who attaches what nomenclature to which product?

The greatest draw to bass fishing is "Individuality"!

[AQUA VELVA]

Wonder what applications those line- through-blank rods would be used in? I don't see them for sale in my salt water catalogs.

[SirSnookalot]

Wonder what applications those line- through-blank rods would be used in? I don't see them for sale in my salt water catalogs.

The only hollow blanks I'm familiar with are sabiki rods, very common in saltwater for use as a bait catching rod.

[South FLA]

Red hook not a ploy, sometimes they do trigger bass. I was sight fishing some golf course ponds and throwing Senkos onto beds, my buddy had exact same Senko with black nickel finish and could not get them to bite dead sticking, I had red EWG and pulled them off the bed.

 

One I recently fell for was the Backstabber lipless cranks,  I bought 4 or so and after using one for a bit I haven't ever used it again, top hook catches line at times ANNOYING.  If anyone is interested I will ship them to you for cost of shipping you can have them.

[NMUbassin]

Let me introduce you to the "flexi-Jig"...

[zachb34]

Red hook not a ploy, sometimes they do trigger bass. I was sight fishing some golf course ponds and throwing Senkos onto beds, my buddy had exact same Senko with black nickel finish and could not get them to bite dead sticking, I had red EWG and pulled them off the bed.

One I recently fell for was the Backstabber lipless cranks, I bought 4 or so and after using one for a bit I haven't ever used it again, top hook catches line at times ANNOYING. If anyone is interested I will ship them to you for cost of shipping you can have them.

I would think while you may catch your line those could be pretty good around grass

[South FLA]

I would think while you may catch your line those could be pretty good around grass

Until you vary retrieve speed or impart action on the lure, that's usually when I would hang up.  Since you live in Wellington nearby PM your address and I will send you them free of charge.

[Blues19]

Let me introduce you to the "flexi-Jig"...

That Flexi-jig reminds me of the Leverage spinnerbaits and Buzzbaits, with the spring attaching the hook to the bait.

[Blues19]

Do you all remember the Ray Scott Electronic Lures? I remember back in the day, I bought a "Blinky" just to see what it was like in the water at night. It was like a rattle trap but it had a Red blinking light in it.  Still try to pull it out from time to time at night when were not doing well.  Gives us a bit of a laugh.