What makes a Senko a Senko

[Hookemdown.]

   Some people will argue that any other stickbait will work just as well as a senko, and it might just do that for them.  But in my experience, like many others, a senko will just flat out outfish tiki stiks, dingers, etc.

I notice that the senko is softer than others.  Is that what makes it better?  Why doesn't other companies try to replicate it more precisely?  Is the formula a secret, or does GYCB have a patent?

Danke

[linesider7]

It's the same thing that makes them so delicate-  The amount of salt used.  Not sure why it's not replicated.  Possibly copyright or whatever it is.

[BucketmouthAngler13]

Stikos are stronger and last longer, but dont get as good of a "wiggle" usualy.

Tikis sink slower and have a good tail wiggle.

Senkos are expensive, but the whole lure wiggles on the way down.

What makes each lure do that is how much softener is added to the mix (the texture of the plastic) and how much salt is added. (the weight)

They all catch fish. Some might be better than others in sertain situations, but I've cought loads on all of them. If you have the cash, use senkos or tikis, becuase the extra action probaly helps things. If your on a budget, get stickos. (BPS brand) They all work great, and out of the three of them I prefer them all.

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[Marty]

I think the Senko wasn't patented, but verify if you want to use that fact.

This is very unscientific, but in addition to Senkos, I've used Yum Dingers and Zoom Z-Nails and felt just as confident using them as the Senko.

[5bass]

The texture of the bait is what sets it apart from all of the others.

[CK14]

The texture of the bait is what sets it apart from all of the others.

i agree, that's why all of their other baits out catch other brands with "run of the mill" plastic.

[roadwarrior]

Yep, I agree with fivebasslimit.

When a bass strikes a Senko, she doesn't want to let go. Perhaps the vibration of the lure is another key factor. Many of the lure's attributes have been successfully copied, but they still aren't a Senko.

[Guest avid]

I think GYCB is the best.

I think the amount of salt he uses is greater than others.  It's what also make the lure so fragile.

PS.  Gene Larew patented adding salt to soft plastic lures.  GY fought it but ending up settling.

Now Gene Larew makes money on every lure with salt in it and doesn't have to do a thing except open the envelope and cash the check.

Lifie is gooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuud.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Ahhh, this one again.

I'll have to issue the challenge again but make it a little more "un-disputable".

Anyone who wishes to fish any lake with a GYCB senko against an ***, say when.  Same boat, same lake, different baits.

Why are they better (there's our fav word again)?  Marketing.  But marketing doesn't catch fish,..just fishermen.

Paying close to $1 per worm is just nuts to me.  It's not a Low Budget thing, it's common sense.  Watch the videos

[TopDog]

Ahhh, this one again.

I'll have to issue the challenge again but make it a little more "un-disputable".

Anyone who wishes to fish any lake with a GYCB senko against an ***, say when. Same boat, same lake, different baits.

Why are they better (there's our fav word again)? Marketing. But marketing doesn't catch fish,..just fishermen.

Paying close to $1 per worm is just nuts to me. It's not a Low Budget thing, it's common sense. Watch the videos

I agree!  Confidence is what makes a senko a senko.   If your confident in your bait, it does not matter what you are using. IMO

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

I don't know if I would say ANY bait, but CONFIDENCE is key.  Almost as key as being in the right place.  

Some knock offs (not many) are just too stiff.  (picasso worms comes to mind) but for the most part, many of the knock offs come from the same factory.  The same factory in fact that pours for yum, culprit and a few other big boys in the biz.

I honestly can't see a bass holding on to a soft plastic longer because it's a slight bit softer.  Soft is soft.  Remember, they don't just eat the "softest" food out there.  With a diet that includes crayfish and other spiney, crunchy critters, I can't see the slight difference being an advantage.  If it is, which it very well could be, I still don't see it being significant enough to justify the price difference.  Espesially when you consider the "loss" rate of the softer bait.

Now there are those that say no price is too much for ANY advantage.  I respect that but I respect earned confidence more than bought confidence.

[TopDog]

I don't know if I would say ANY bait, but CONFIDENCE is key. Almost as key as being in the right place.

Some knock offs (not many) are just too stiff. (picasso worms comes to mind) but for the most part, many of the knock offs come from the same factory. The same factory in fact that pours for yum, culprit and a few other big boys in the biz.

I honestly can't see a bass holding on to a soft plastic longer because it's a slight bit softer. Soft is soft. Remember, they don't just eat the "softest" food out there. With a diet that includes crayfish and other spiney, crunchy critters, I can't see the slight difference being an advantage. If it is, which it very well could be, I still don't see it being significant enough to justify the price difference. Espesially when you consider the "loss" rate of the softer bait.

Now there are those that say no price is too much for ANY advantage. I respect that but I respect earned confidence more than bought confidence.

True, some are too stiff, Im not arguing any point here either.  If you look at my fishing wall of shame (pegboard full of fishing stuff) you will see the Yamamoto stuff the most.  But I do find myself using the otheres more and more. I switch up on the same colors from different manufacturers to see if there are differences.  Some days yes, Some days no.

[senile1]

When I t-rig senko type worms I believe I catch more on Tiki sticks.  When wacky-rigged, it seems GYCB senkos get the nod.  

LBH, could you refresh my memory?  What were the results of your challenge to RW last year regarding the use of worms other than Senkos?

[KenDammit28]

the package it comes in, the colors, and the price...thats what makes it different.

what makes a strike king spinnerbait any different than a booyah spinnerbait?  

[Banor]

I prefer the stickbaits that I pour myself.   8-)

B

[.ghoti.]

Simple, it's the wiggle on the drop. The original does it best.

Cheers,

GK

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Ahhh, this one again.

I'll have to issue the challenge again but make it a little more "un-disputable".

Anyone who wishes to fish any lake with a GYCB senko against an ***, say when.  Same boat, same lake, different baits.

Why are they better (there's our fav word again)?  Marketing.  But marketing doesn't catch fish,..just fishermen.

Paying close to $1 per worm is just nuts to me.  It's not a Low Budget thing, it's common sense.  Watch the videos

I gotta apologize for this one guys, I re-read it and I sound like the guy I hate,lol.

I'm just saying I would like to do an on lake comparison in much more detail, with someone other than Eric.  He has long since been converted and although he'd be happy to fish the Yamamoto's again as a test, he won't pay for them.  So he's out.  I still want to do this though, if anyone in my neck of the woods is interested.   Document every fish, build some data to analyze.

[Fedxpress]

I agree with ghoti, its the wiggle, they have a different fall. If you fish it weighted I don't thank it would be any better other then the salt. This is what makes them tear up so easily. Not sure about GCYB senko's, but the others have a different materials, and they thus their fall is different.

Fedxpress

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

I agree with ghoti, its the wiggle, they have a different fall. If you fish it weighted I don't thank it would be any better other then the salt. This is what makes them tear up so easily. Not sure about GCYB senko's, but the others have a different materials, and they thus their fall is different.

Fedxpress

not to the human eye.  I'll  film the fish tank again.

[5bass]

LBH, I agree with what you say about the catch rates between the Yam's and the knock-offs. I used to think there was a big difference until I started using Brent's sticks alot. The action may be just a little different and the Yam's texture may be slightly different but the catch rates dont seem to differ at all.....and thats what counts,right?

The texture of the Yamamoto's is the biggest difference and it's most likely the main reason that his baits tear up so fast......but I am convinced that there are other sticks out there that catch just as many,if not more fish,at a much cheaper price.

[Hookemdown.]

I guess there will never be a clear answer on this one.  It just seems like i've always done better on the senko.  But a real senko or a knock-off,  they all catch a ton of fish.  I think we all can agree on that.

Right?

[Banor]

2 weekends ago several guys from a different forum and myself had a pouring party and one of the topics of discussion was fall rates on stick baits.

We had a couple of different hand pours, Yums, GYBC's and another brand I cant remember the name.  We grabbed a bucket filled with water and spent about 30 minutes comparing drop rates and actions.  The rate of fall obviously varied on the hand pours based on salt content.  The action on the fall, i.e. the wiggle was surprisingly was not noticeably different.  

There was one distinct variable in the wiggle.  This was how the bait hit the water.  If you dropped the bait a certain way the stick baits wouldnt wiggle, regardless of brand.  Even the GYBC's wouldnt wiggle if you didnt drop them just right.  

I think the GYBC is just a confidence thing as well as good marketing.  It's very difficult to match the texture of GYBC's but if you are talking just the "patented" wiggle, I think you are fooling yourself that GYBC senkos are unique.

Just my opinion,

B

[genie]

I agree - you can do what you want to make it your own, but it all depends on how you use it.

[Banor]

Hi Genie!  Welcome to this board!!

I got your Angler's Genie yesterday in the mail.  Speaking of hand pouring.  I am moving all the recipes over to it today!!

B