Racy Language In Fishing

[SirSnookalot]

Its refreshing to see a different topic pop up besides how do you rig a senko or work a jig. I am afraid if i see another who makes the best braided line question pop up i might go hang myself in the garage with my power pro 

I'd suggest 80 lb

[KyakR]

That's the problem with this country everybody gets BUTT HURT about everything...it's kind of embarrassing. Isn't it supposed to be a Super Power? Maybe because I'm European my views might be a little different. I guess people need have a thick skin.

Wait isn't this a fishing forum..... 

BUTT HURT rods........does Delaware Tackle make those? Hmmmm.......  

[boostr]

BUTT HURT rods........does Delaware Tackle make those? Hmmmm.......

Saw what you did there. ;-)

[Felix77]

Its refreshing to see a different topic pop up besides how do you rig a senko or work a jig. I am afraid if i see another who makes the best braided line question pop up i might go hang myself in the garage with my power pro 

 

The big debate then would be what # test do you use.  

[Felix77]

I'd suggest 80 lb

 

Didn't get down the thread before I saw this ... I say it depends on how big you are.  At 325 I might need a little more than 80lb.  HA!

 

[slonezp]

Hey let's not get personal 'cause the topic will be locked like the other one was    

I read the other one as well before I t was locked and I didn't really understand why it was locked, but oh well.

 

My take, If someone buys a lure based on the name rather than the reviews, so be it. If someone DOESN'T buy a lure based on the name rather than the reviews, so be it. 

 

I belong to a local fishing forum that is more of a multi species site than anything. It has it's regulars, but it really goes thru "seasons" when everyone comes out of the woodwork. There are a couple really decent sticks who put their time on the water. Recently, the Lake Michigan shorefront went thru salmon season where the kings, cohos, and browns come in. Catching a 20lb king salmon is beyond fun and you should all take the opportunity if it presents itself. Catching "death piles" (limits) is what the decent sticks are doing. One of the decent sticks comes up with a new scheme every salmon season and gets all the gullible fishermen to bite. It provides pages and pages of entertainment on a site with little traffic. Last year it was "spoonbobbing". Don't ask. This year, it was a generic stickbait he gave a name to. Gave all the colors provocative names with a local flair. He took pictures of said bait in the salmons mouth every time he went out. Convinced all of the  Chicago and SE Wisconsin shore fisherman, that his was the bait to have. Send him a PM and he will ship them out to you. He never responded to the PM's and never shipped any baits, because there weren't any. Talk of this magical lure spilled over to other local fishing forums. That thread generated 21,000 hits in a few weeks, in an otherwise painfully slow forum. My point is it's all marketing. Some of the smaller lure companies feel the need to market "racy" names to get noticed. There are only so many different colors to market, but change the name from, and I'm being clean, from shad to sexy shad, and you now have a new consumer. As fishermen, we should  buy what works and not be suckered by the provocative name or color.  

[Brian Needham]

Let me be bold (as always)

 

If you fish, you are a friend of mine!

 

I love the debate and could go on for days......... but the racebaiting and womans rights junk is just nonsense and mythical in context for THIS topic. It exist, but not here, so dont try to make it here.  

 

Like I said, if you fish you are a friend of mine, and I bet 99% of the people of this board hold that same feeling.

 

It aint about race, gender, creed, religion or anything else, its about fishing, SO LETS FREAKING FISH!

 

YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KyakR]

[coryn h. fishowl]

Hey let's not get personal 'cause the topic will be locked like the other one was    

x2, if one wants to have philosophical discussions, hey that is what PM's are for, but reaching too far into personal opinions to the point that arguments break out can get a topic deleted or archived.  KyakR I personally respect your opinion, and even more so your knowledge and command of the English language....not to mention you could probably out-fish half the people on BR

We should practice that most important virtue of anglers, patience, and should seek to have restraint, to be sensitive, non-abrasive, and seek to not offend or be offended any more than necessary, while still delving into depths of important topics.

[Brian Needham]

so Coryn, does that mean you are going to change your sig line.......... I mean we wouldn't want to offend anyone with that type of seductive talk   I KID, I KID.

[coryn h. fishowl]

Sometimes examples can help understanding.  I am 52 years old, born in 1960.  Let's imagine my experience if I were black.  The Civil Rights Act passed in 1964 but things didn't change immediately.  My parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc would have experienced the worst of what Jim Crow had to offer.  I would have experienced quite a bit of the effects of it as well.  My children would have probably heard about the experiences of me and their other relatives.  Put yourself in those shoes and ask yourself if the word, "spook," wouldn't bother you in many contexts.  

 

I don't want to cause this thread to be locked.  I just want to, hopefully, open minds to the experience of others so we can be more empathetic.

I am black and in my area there is an all black fishing club (though I'm not a member due to my belief that we shouldn't segment ourselves and exclude others along the line of race) to which I posed the question of if they ever made any connection to the Zara Spook being racist/insensitive. Not one of them did. However, they did all believe it to be one of the best topwater lures ever made.  One of them said that "even if that is how it was intended, it's no longer the meaning behind it.  It's a (bleep) good bait, and if I didn't use it, I'd miss out on half the topwater fish I catch."

[coryn h. fishowl]

so Coryn, does that mean you are going to change your sig line.......... I mean we wouldn't want to offend anyone with that type of seductive talk   I KID, I KID.

Offensive? Why sir "I reject your reality and substitute my own."

[senile1]

I am black and in my area there is an all black fishing club (though I'm not a member due to my belief that we shouldn't segment ourselves and exclude others along the line of race) to which I posed the question of if they ever made any connection to the Zara Spook being racist/insensitive. Not one of them did. However, they did all believe it to be one of the best topwater lures ever made.  One of them said that "even if that is how it was intended, it's no longer the meaning behind it.  It's a (bleep) good bait, and if I didn't use it, I'd miss out on half the topwater fish I catch."

 

The Zara Spook is my favorite topwater lure.  I have used it for many years, and I suspect that you are correct that few are offended by it.  My point is that if someone was offended by it, I am not got going to demean them by saying they are overly-sensitive.  The same goes for names and comments with which men may not have an issue, but for a woman the comment could be understood as misogynistic or demeaning in some way to women. 

[tatertester]

Sure, make me refer to my dictionary.

[J Francho]

The original lure was named Zara Gossa, which I thought meant "little dancer," but I could be wrong there.  When Heddon came out with a different lure, based on the ZG, it was named Zara Spook, and made of plastic.  I'm pretty sure the rest of the plastic versions had the name "spook" attached.  There's nothing there, that I know of, that could be misconstrued as racist, sexist, misogynistic, or otherwise.

[boostr]

The original lure was named Zara Gossa, which I thought meant "little dancer," but I could be wrong there.  When Heddon came out with a different lure, based on the ZG, it was named Zara Spook, and made of plastic.  I'm pretty sure the rest of the plastic versions had the name "spook" attached.  There's nothing there, that I know of, that could be misconstrued as racist, sexist, misogynistic, or otherwise.

 

I thought  Zara Gossa was a D lineman for the Baltimore Ravens

[Brian Needham]

The original lure was named Zara Gossa, which I thought meant "little dancer," but I could be wrong there.  When Heddon came out with a different lure, based on the ZG, it was named Zara Spook, and made of plastic.  I'm pretty sure the rest of the plastic versions had the name "spook" attached.  There's nothing there, that I know of, that could be misconstrued as racist, sexist, misogynistic, or otherwise.

 

exactly...............but try explaining that to people that always need to drum up hurt feelings about something. Don't matter what, as long as it "something"

[bassin is addicting]

you sure can tell it is non-fishing weather im many parts... this post has taken a life of its own.

i too consider 95%+ of all fisherman/women my friend.  i'd love to fish with each and every one of you, there is no doubt in my mind we would get along and have a great time. 

taking a lure's name as offensive seems to fit the "looking to be offended" catagory ....but then again...if it truly does offend someone, i am not insensitive to that.  i believe the intent is to catch fisherman with the names...certainly not to offend anyone. 

if it were meant that way.....how many of us would be offended by the Norman Fat Boy???

[Brian Needham]

 the Norman Fat Boy???

 

I resemble that lure!!!!!!!!!

[J Francho]

Speak for yourselves, I prefer to think of myself more of the Norman Thin N variety.

[coryn h. fishowl]

Norman Fat Boy

I resemble that lure!!!!!!!!!

The fish in your profile pic resemble that lure (nice catch!)

[Felix77]

I resemble that lure!!!!!!!!!

Same here.  

[Glenn]

And on that note, let's end it here before it spirals downward.