stick bait options ....

[Hooligan]

I use Ocho's and Zero's quite a bit, but my highest rate of catch is still on Senko originals.

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Maybe I got a couple bad bags of Zero's, but they had ZERO shimmy on the fall. Literally fell like a stick. :'(

Yeah, they don't shimmy anything close to the others like Senko, even the Ocho.  What I discovered with the Zero is that the lightest hook you can use seems to help with the shimmy.  I find myself C-rigging the Zero a lot, it seems to work better than most other sticks for that purpose.  Why that is I really don't know.

[Hooligan]

anybody use these http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_44681_100007007_100000000_100007000_100-7-7

I snagged a bag the other day at FW in Fresno and fished them on a mine pit out there.  They worked alright, really.  They aren't terribly durable, much like others, but they did work.

[CWB]

Dingers and Ochos if I run out of Senkos.

Keep your eyes out at your local tackle shops for homemade handpours. I was given some samples this year that had BETTER shimmy on the fall than Senkos but they were so soft they would tear after a few casts.

I wacky rig them with criss-crossed O-Rings for maximum action and life.

[kLuo]

The Kinami Flash and the GYCB are the same bait, the only differences between both are:

1.- the color chart

2.- the Flash has the Kinami wave molded on the eggsack.

So when you purchase a bag of Kinami Flash you are actually purchasing a bag of GYCB Senkos

I like Dingers for everyday use.

this is not true. I have used both extensively and the senkos are much softer and have much more wiggling action as they fall. I'm not saying they are made by two completely different companies, but the material they are made up of is definitely different.

Dude, it has been discussed ad nauseum and confirmed by GYCB pro staffers and by GYCB itself, GYCB Senko and Kinami Flash is the same bait.

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is there a possibility that wal-mart carries very old products then? I am playing with a bag of senkos and a bag of kinami baits and they are VERY different. I'm talking the kinami bait is MUCH stiffer and I even placed them in water and it has significantly less action than the senko. It would be possible to argue that this bag could have been a bad batch, but I have also noticed this in the past as well, although I have not thoroughly tested it before. I'm sorry, but I simply cannot believe they are the same. Maybe my wal-mart is just scamming me

[kLuo]

The Kinami Flash and the GYCB are the same bait, the only differences between both are:

1.- the color chart

2.- the Flash has the Kinami wave molded on the eggsack.

So when you purchase a bag of Kinami Flash you are actually purchasing a bag of GYCB Senkos

I like Dingers for everyday use.

this is not true. I have used both extensively and the senkos are much softer and have much more wiggling action as they fall. I'm not saying they are made by two completely different companies, but the material they are made up of is definitely different.

Dude, it has been discussed ad nauseum and confirmed by GYCB pro staffers and by GYCB itself, GYCB Senko and Kinami Flash is the same bait.

READ

is there a possibility that wal-mart carries very old products then? I am playing with a bag of senkos and a bag of kinami baits and they are VERY different. I'm talking the kinami bait is MUCH stiffer and I even placed them in water and it has significantly less action than the senko. It would be possible to argue that this bag could have been a bad batch, but I have also noticed this in the past as well, although I have not thoroughly tested it before. I'm sorry, but I simply cannot believe they are the same. Maybe my wal-mart is just scamming me

also, just ripped them apart and they even rip differently. the kinami bait flakes off easier and the senko is stretchier. I'm not saying the GYCB staff is lying when they said they are manufactured the same, but when they arrive in MY hands through wal-mart and are used for fishing, there is a solid difference.

[Raul]

They are the same bait, using the same formula, made in the same factory by Dad Gary Yamamoto for his son Derek Yamamoto, the only differences are the color chart and the mold, the Flash has the Kinami wave molded on the egg sack, the senko has a smooth eggsack.

The difference is in what you think, I have both brands, have fished with both brands and they are the same.

[BassThumb]

I use Ocho's and Zero's quite a bit, but my highest rate of catch is still on Senko originals.

Same here.  I haven't tried many of the others, though.

[Big Bait Fishing]

well i have been experimenting with different brands and have come to the conclusion that Yum Dingers and strike King Shim E sticks have really good action similar to Senkos . the Dingers are not that durable ( more so than Senkos) compared to the Shim E sticks , so i think the Dingers would be good for light biters , and the Shim E sticks are for a more aggresive bite . i buy them both at Wal-mart for $3.00 , so i am happy even if i happen to lose a bait on every other fish , they are certainly cheaper than Senko prices !!!

[bilgerat]

The Kinami Flash and the GYCB are the same bait, the only differences between both are:

1.- the color chart

2.- the Flash has the Kinami wave molded on the eggsack.

So when you purchase a bag of Kinami Flash you are actually purchasing a bag of GYCB Senkos

I like Dingers for everyday use.

this is not true. I have used both extensively and the senkos are much softer and have much more wiggling action as they fall. I'm not saying they are made by two completely different companies, but the material they are made up of is definitely different.

Dude, it has been discussed ad nauseum and confirmed by GYCB pro staffers and by GYCB itself, GYCB Senko and Kinami Flash is the same bait.

READ

is there a possibility that wal-mart carries very old products then? I am playing with a bag of senkos and a bag of kinami baits and they are VERY different. I'm talking the kinami bait is MUCH stiffer and I even placed them in water and it has significantly less action than the senko. It would be possible to argue that this bag could have been a bad batch, but I have also noticed this in the past as well, although I have not thoroughly tested it before. I'm sorry, but I simply cannot believe they are the same. Maybe my wal-mart is just scamming me

also, just ripped them apart and they even rip differently. the kinami bait flakes off easier and the senko is stretchier. I'm not saying the GYCB staff is lying when they said they are manufactured the same, but when they arrive in MY hands through wal-mart and are used for fishing, there is a solid difference.

It could be as simple as they were manufactured months apart, or a slight variation in the plastic mixture. If you make thousands and thousands of anything, you will never get 100% conformity.

[SamCFBC]

I wacky rig them with criss-crossed O-Rings for maximum action and life.

how do you do this exactly?

[CWB]

I wacky rig them with criss-crossed O-Rings for maximum action and life.

how do you do this exactly?

Slip 2 O-Rings on the bait and position them in the middle. Pull one over the other so they form an X.

Put your hook through the point where the 2 O-Rings cross, underneath both of them, and your hook will be 90 degrees to the bait, not parallel to it, which I believe increases hookups. If I had my stuff at the house here, I'd post a picture but it's actually pretty simple.

I use gamakatsu widegap finesse weedless hooks, #2/0.

Honestly, I do not think I have missed hooking a fish that bit.

[SamCFBC]

I wacky rig them with criss-crossed O-Rings for maximum action and life.

how do you do this exactly?

Slip 2 O-Rings on the bait and position them in the middle. Pull one over the other so they form an X.

Put your hook through the point where the 2 O-Rings cross, underneath both of them, and your hook will be 90 degrees to the bait, not parallel to it, which I believe increases hookups. If I had my stuff at the house here, I'd post a picture but it's actually pretty simple.

I use gamakatsu widegap finesse weedless hooks, #2/0.

Honestly, I do not think I have missed hooking a fish that bit.

thank you.  i have some o rings on the way and will check this out.  would love to see a picture of this set up too if you get a chance.

[guitarkid]

I don't really use stick baits that much, but when I do it is senkos. When I run out I will probably get dingers or trick sticks though.

  -gk

[grimlin]

anybody use these http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_44681_100007007_100000000_100007000_100-7-7

They work....not the greatest action,but for the price on these it's hard to pass them up.I always buy the $5 packs kits at Walmart that comes with a few color options and size jogger worms.If an angler is on a budget those are what I'd recommend to get.

[bilgerat]

Shrink tubing is another rigging option

http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=343222&stc=1&d=1269140747

[CWB]

I wacky rig them with criss-crossed O-Rings for maximum action and life.

how do you do this exactly?

Slip 2 O-Rings on the bait and position them in the middle. Pull one over the other so they form an X.

Put your hook through the point where the 2 O-Rings cross, underneath both of them, and your hook will be 90 degrees to the bait, not parallel to it, which I believe increases hookups. If I had my stuff at the house here, I'd post a picture but it's actually pretty simple.

I use gamakatsu widegap finesse weedless hooks, #2/0.

Honestly, I do not think I have missed hooking a fish that bit.

thank you. i have some o rings on the way and will check this out. would love to see a picture of this set up too if you get a chance.

Not the best pix, but I think you'll get the idea.

I use O-Rings that are far thinner in cross-section than these but these are all I had at the house.

Don't need a tool and don't buy the O-rings from a tackle shop.

Go to your local Hardware store and get some 3/8" I.D and some 5/16" I.D. with the smallest cross-section they have. 9 MM I.D will work if all they have is Metric.

A little saliva when you slide them on and you're good to go.

[Big Bait Fishing]

Shrink tubing is another rigging option

http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=343222&stc=1&d=1269140747

that is a nice little trick , just hope i don't melt the stick bait 

[SamCFBC]

CWB, thanks a lot.  i figured that's how you do it.  and thanks for the tip on the thinner o rings.  i assume the double o ring doesn't change the action at all?  maybe just a slightly quicker fall rate?

[CWB]

Doesn't affect action at all. You'll catch several fish on each bait using this technique. I tried the shrinkwrap and did melt a bait. That was that.

[Big Bait Fishing]

Doesn't affect action at all. You'll catch several fish on each bait using this technique. I tried the shrinkwrap and did melt a bait. That was that.

that double o-ring trick is the ticket it seems , using just one o-ring puts the hook in an akward position , like hook up percentage would be decreased greatly  :-/

[CWB]

Doesn't affect action at all. You'll catch several fish on each bait using this technique. I tried the shrinkwrap and did melt a bait. That was that.

that double o-ring trick is the ticket it seems , using just one o-ring puts the hook in an akward position , like hook up percentage would be decreased greatly :-/

If you can master the heatshrink method, it can be deadly also. You can rig several baits and have them ready to go. I just had a bad experience as I used a heat gun I borrowed from work- industrial strength. O-Ring method's advantage is that you are not actually passing the hook through the bait, just under the O-Rings. When bait slides up the line, simply slide it back with no damage to the bait. Look for 5/16" I.D. and 3/8" I.D. X 1/16" cross section.

[bilgerat]

I don't shrink the tubing, I use a size a tad smaller than the diameter of the bait. I cut the tube to about 1/4" long, then start the tail end (because it's slimmer) and gently pull the bait through until the tube is where I want it.

I've never torn a bait, but mineral oil or any attractant will lube it enough to prevent tearing.

[SamCFBC]

are you getting o rings or specific rubber tubing at a hardware store?  all of this is great info. by the way.  i was 100% texas rig until recently and i didn't have much wacky rig confidence.  took a few trips but i finally caught one on it and then kept catching them so i'm sold.  i quickly realized how easily it was to lose the worm on 1 fish.

[bilgerat]

are you getting o rings or specific rubber tubing at a hardware store? all of this is great info. by the way. i was 100% texas rig until recently and i didn't have much wacky rig confidence. took a few trips but i finally caught one on it and then kept catching them so i'm sold. i quickly realized how easily it was to lose the worm on 1 fish.

Hardware store, Home Depot, Lowes all carry o rings and shrink tube. A soda straw will work in a pinch but is not as durable. Bring a worm with you to be sure on the size. Side note, I love these hooks: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0037619119810a&type=product&rid=0123456789&cm_mmc=PPC-_-Google%20Non%20Brand-_-fis_Terminal%20Tackle_Hooks-_-owner+mosquito+hooks

[CWB]

I don't shrink the tubing, I use a size a tad smaller than the diameter of the bait. I cut the tube to about 1/4" long, then start the tail end (because it's slimmer) and gently pull the bait through until the tube is where I want it.

I've never torn a bait, but mineral oil or any attractant will lube it enough to prevent tearing.

Good point BR. Makes total sense.

Still would prefer O-Rings as I'm not passing hook through bait. Probably easier to slide over bait also.

Both ways will produce and save baits.