Architects

[Raider Nation Fisher]

I have found a new hatred for architects. Yet again these know it all's make work beyond difficult. Examples just from the job I am on. Putting plugs and switches inside plate glass walls. I know it won't work, you know it won't work. So why even put it on the prints?

Circuit numbers. You are not an electrician or even an electrical engineer. We balance our panel loads for a reason. Just because you want circuits 2,4,30 in the same room doesn't mean its gonna work that way. There is more that goes into it then just randomly assigning numbers. DO NOT argue with me about electrical theory. I'm an electrician you are an architect. I know how electricity works as well as the theory behind it.

Just because a ceiling mounted flush beneath steel decking looks better than on that's lowered 2 inches does not mean its feasible. I have to run pipe or shielded cable through it. Just because it works on paper does not mean it works in the real world. Its not my fault you had the decking installed and concrete poured already.

Panel clearance is for a reason. When I say I need three feet minimum clearance in front of a 110/208 panel does not mean you can build your wall 33 inches in front of said panel.

Lastly. I am an industrial electrician. I'm not some romex ranger or wham bam speedy commercial electrician. I have installed and directed the install of equipment that cost 10 times what this entire project costs as well as the building it is sitting in. The last of which probably cost more than your firm makes in a 3 year period. Not multi thousand. Multi million, you suit wearing clown. I am proficient at electrical work, and not some green helper. DO NOT talk down to me. GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

[Nice_Bass]

I guess I have ran into more bad electricians than bad architects...

[MCS]

Hate to tell ya raider the Electrical Engineer takes the architects dwgs and did that. Architects only do floor arrangements, finishes etc. I take it your looking at a set of plans, tell me the sheet number, then read the sign/seal portion that will tell ya who did the sheet.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Hate to tell ya raider the Electrical Engineer takes the architects dwgs and did that. Architects only do floor arrangements, finishes etc. I take it your looking at a set of plans, tell me the sheet number, then read the sign/seal portion that will tell ya who did the sheet.

Is no electrical engineer on this job. That's directly from the architects mouth. General contractor doesn't want to have to pay the money for one. So Mr. Know It All is doing it for him.

I like electrical engineers. They make my life simple.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

I guess I have ran into more bad electricians than bad architects...

Me too.

[MCS]

Is no electrical engineer on this job. That's directly from the architects mouth. General contractor doesn't want to have to pay the money for one. So Mr. Know It All is doing it for him.

I like electrical engineers. They make my life simple.

 

WOW....Run fast....is this your old sucky job or new gig?

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Old one. The new ones I'm mulling over are heavy industrial. Pipe plants, steel mills, mines, paper mills, refineries, refractory's, etcetera.

I have got two more interviews before I make my decision. One is for a company that does robotics and controls for automotive plants as well as light industrial jobs. Pays better than heavy, because of the knowledge it requires. Less strenuous too.

[MCS]

Sounds like the GC and the AIA are in good with eachother and you're gonna be blamed if there is a problem. Hear them now "That dang there knuckle dragg'n sparky wannabe dun tried to ran them wires thru glass!"

[Raider Nation Fisher]

I suggested to the other journeyman with me to do just that. Personally I would just as soon run a pipe from ceiling to box. Right dead wear he drew the plug. Turn around and nail him with a change order as soon as he decided to redo it. I've found once you hit them with enough change orders, they generally straighten their act up. Especially when change orders are costing them 300% per change.

[Root beer]

Go home, Raider, you're drunk.

[MCS]

I suggested to the other journeyman with me to do just that. Personally I would just as soon run a pipe from ceiling to box. Right dead wear he drew the plug. Turn around and nail him with a change order as soon as he decided to redo it. I've found once you hit them with enough change orders, they generally straighten their act up. Especially when change orders are costing them 300% per change.

 

change orders they are love hate LOL we got one job here they rejected every CO we sent them, so finally they needed something critical to the job, now we ain't doing nopthing until the sign all the CO's LOL

[J Francho]

Go home, Raider, you're drunk.

Could be, lol: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/09/17/223345977/auto-brewery-syndrome-apparently-you-can-make-beer-in-your-gut

[deaknh03]

Could be, lol: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/09/17/223345977/auto-brewery-syndrome-apparently-you-can-make-beer-in-your-gut

I can see raider chowing down bagels just to try.

[jbsoonerfan]

When I was working in the flooring business it seemed as though the GC was usually the biggest A-hole of the bunch. Mainly because he thought he knew how it should be done and the architect was pretty sure he knew it would work.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

I can see raider chowing down bagels just to try.

Tempting. However, I've already put too much weight back on.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

When I was working in the flooring business it seemed as though the GC was usually the biggest A-hole of the bunch. Mainly because he thought he knew how it should be done and the architect was pretty sure he knew it would work.

Ours has taken to bird dogging lately. He ain't figured out why me and one of the plumbers go to barking and howling whenever we see him.

[SirSnookalot]

Being a business owner for over 30 years I've seen similar situations, an employee telling an owner how to run a business that has been successful for many years.  Quite often these employees don't stick with a company that long, whether it's their choice to move on or the employer's not wanting them there.  This may not apply for this particular scenario but recalling some past threads seems there may be a pattern forming.  With all due respect to Raider, he may be better suited to run his own business.  I don't mean this to be disrespectful.

[Bankbeater]

I had to read that line a second time "inside plate glass walls".  Sounds like one of the architects I work with.  Come $%^& or high water, we're going to do it his way just because he's worried about aesthetics, and adding to his resume.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Being a business owner for over 30 years I've seen similar situations, an employee telling an owner how to run a business that has been successful for many years.  Quite often these employees don't stick with a company that long, whether it's their choice to move on or the employer's not wanting them there.  This may not apply for this particular scenario but recalling some past threads seems there may be a pattern forming.  With all due respect to Raider, he may be better suited to run his own business.  I don't mean this to be disrespectful.

No disrespect taken. I thoroughly believe I need to work for myself. Either that or I need to get back with my last company. I have more respect for the owners of that company then I have had with all but my first job. They are successful because they treat their employees fair, they respect our opinions, and they listen when we tell them something. Everyone there from the owners to the 3 warehouse workers are electricians. They all have worked in the field, none of them used a degree to get a licence.

Anyway, I'm working towards eventually starting my own company. I just got to be patient.