Super User bigbill Posted August 31, 2013 Super User Posted August 31, 2013 I often wonder why I don't see the same brighter colors in jigs as I do in spinnerbaits? Wouldn't it be more beneficial in darker overcast days and in fishing in the darker water conditions? If we are fishing in the deeper depths there is a lower light condition too. Mike Siebert is making some jigs in brighter colors for me. He does offer them if you ask for them. I'm thinking the chartreuse will be very productive in certain situations. So far the blue glimmer and chartreuse spinnerbaits have been very productive here. The blue glimmer I toss on sunny days and the chartreuse color I toss on dark overcast days. I do try the spinnerbaits above and below the sight line too. I think the brighter color jigs will work out very well. But we do need all the different colors. Bigbill Quote
cast_and_destroy Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 well you should see the same bright colors that you see in spinnerbaits in swim jigs since theyre kinda the same thing. but a spinnerbait or swim jig is used to imitate a baitfish a lot of the times so the colors stand out more, when im flipping or pitching a jig i prefer a darker color since it stands out more in murky water...it creates a profile in the water. Quote
NEjitterbugger Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 The bright colors like chartreuse are you used for spinnerbait because bluegill, shad, or baitfish will have a glimmer like that. A swimjig may be fine, but when fishing right on the bottom I'd be imitating a crawfish more often then not. Even if you were using a bluegill imitation maybe that chartreuse wouldn't be as visible lower in the water column. Quote
Super User bigbill Posted August 31, 2013 Author Super User Posted August 31, 2013 We use firetiger colors in crankbaits in darker water conditions. My feeling is the brighter color jigs will work too. The smallies like chartreuse. There have been tornies an with smallies lately too. I can wait to try the chartreuse jigs at one of my hot spots on an overcast cloudy day. I'll try them in a few different hot spots. One day won't be fair but we'll see. My hottest crawfish lure is the rebel BIG CLAW crawfish crankbait that dives 10' feet. But it also floats too. It's in chartreuse color too. I figure the chartruese jig will stay on the bottom longer. We can hop it. I'm up for change, what ever is different that works. Bb 1 Quote
NEjitterbugger Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I'm not saying it won't work just my explanation on spinnerbait colors tending to be brighter than jigs Quote
Super User bigbill Posted August 31, 2013 Author Super User Posted August 31, 2013 Why aren't the jigs not offered in brighter colors. It's s different presentation over spinnerbaits. It stays on the bottom longer and hops. In murky, dark stained, muddy water can the fish tell the difference between a crawfish and a baitfish. All they see is the shadow and movement that somethings there to eat. In topwater conditions and from daylite to twilite to dusk conditions when I switch from natural colored lures to brighter colored lures the bite continues. As the satellite goes away the bite slows down with natural colors. Example, in the early evening I'm throwing a Joe's fly 1/4oz bass size in a silver blade with a black fly thus blackgnat. As it gets darker the bite stops. Most will think it ended but it hasn't. The fish can't see the blackgnat in the low light. They feel the vibration from the blade but can't see the lure. When I switch to the Joe's fly 1/4oz bass size in the brighter firetiger apache I catch a few more bass before it goes totally dark. I learned this one night as a kid when I put on a uncle Josh pork trailer on a hook with a bobber at dusk when the bite stopped. While playing with the bobber jerking it I was using the first swim jig in the 60's. I could see the white pork being pulled every which way by the bass. I did land a few. Of course till it got darker. Quote
Super User WRB Posted August 31, 2013 Super User Posted August 31, 2013 Bass anglers tend to see colors a lot different than bass do. The human eye has developed to see above water in good light, we have poor low light vision and can't distinguish colors without good light. We don't need good eye sight in low light to survive, bass do! If a bass had the same eye sight as a human it couldn't find prey during low light periods or at night, the bass wouldn't survive. The term reaction bite is often used to describe a bass striking a bright lure like a spinnerbait, the blades creating a lot flash. What is over looked is the same blades also move the water and the bass sees, feels and hears the blade movement from a greater distance than a jig moving through the water. Active bass will swim a distance to chase down a spinnerbait. A jig on the hand is quit compared to a spinnerbait and doesn't create a lot flash, or move a lot of water, therefor has a different appeal to the bass. A more natural look often works better for less aggressive bass that tend to take a close look at the slower moving quieter jig. The easiest way to create flash and move more water with a jig is add a blade in lieu of a trailer. Brighter colored skirts with a blade work good. A Scrounger jig with it's collar works well as a swim jig, moves water and has a fish like profile. Tom Quote
Super User bigbill Posted September 1, 2013 Author Super User Posted September 1, 2013 I'm going to add a rattle and a trailer. Quote
pbizzle Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 I've never seen a chartreuse crawfish. I've noticed that they're pretty dark in muddy/low visibility water so that's why I'd use a black jig, but when I'm trying to imitate a crawfish I want it to look like a crawfish. Quote
Super User bigbill Posted September 1, 2013 Author Super User Posted September 1, 2013 Ever see a chartreuse minnow? Ever see a clown colored minnow, how about a fire tiger colored minnow? Why are we limited to the certain colors with jigs. Why don't we use the brighter colors to match the heavier stained to muddy water conditions? Now factor in using brighter colors in low light conditions too. We use chartreuse spinnerbaits and firetiger crankbaits on over cast days. The norm is; With clear water conditions it's natural colored smaller lures fished faster. With stained water conditions it's brighter colored medium sized lures fished slower. With muddy water conditions it's brighter colored largest sized lures fished the slowest. We do this with cranks, minnowbaits, spinnerbaits, inline spinnerbaits, plastics etc. Why have the jigs been left out in the norm of the color relationship to the water conditions? Are jigs totally different than any other lure color wise. Why do we limit ourselves to certain jig colors. I feel the need to break the norm, correct the injustice, to break this color barrier with jig fishing. Just kidding but it's true Why does my rebel BIG CLAW crawfish crankbait in chartreuse work so good success wise? It dives to ten feet that's how deep my channel is. It's running on the bottom were my chartreuse jig will be so what's the difference. The jig would run on the bottom even longer. I think we need to think about this color problem and not limit ourselves completely to the normal jig colors. It's time to use the brighter colors that come alive in the darker water conditions. Quote
Super User bigbill Posted September 1, 2013 Author Super User Posted September 1, 2013 Mike Siebert of Siebert Outdoors one of our spinners here is making up some jigs in chartreuse for me along with some other colors. I can't wait to use them. I ordered some of the other colors he offers too. I got them in all sizes. I ordered football jigs and some swim jigs too. Bb Quote
Arv Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 I'd be interested to hear how your bright colored jigs work out. Keep us posted! Quote
pbizzle Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 Ever see a chartreuse minnow? Ever see a clown colored minnow, how about a fire tiger colored minnow? Why are we limited to the certain colors with jigs. Why don't we use the brighter colors to match the heavier stained to muddy water conditions? Now factor in using brighter colors in low light conditions too. We use chartreuse spinnerbaits and firetiger crankbaits on over cast days. The norm is; With clear water conditions it's natural colored smaller lures fished faster. With stained water conditions it's brighter colored medium sized lures fished slower. With muddy water conditions it's brighter colored largest sized lures fished the slowest. We do this with cranks, minnowbaits, spinnerbaits, inline spinnerbaits, plastics etc. Why have the jigs been left out in the norm of the color relationship to the water conditions? Are jigs totally different than any other lure color wise. Why do we limit ourselves to certain jig colors. I feel the need to break the norm, correct the injustice, to break this color barrier with jig fishing. Just kidding but it's true Why does my rebel BIG CLAW crawfish crankbait in chartreuse work so good success wise? It dives to ten feet that's how deep my channel is. It's running on the bottom were my chartreuse jig will be so what's the difference. The jig would run on the bottom even longer. I think we need to think about this color problem and not limit ourselves completely to the normal jig colors. It's time to use the brighter colors that come alive in the darker water conditions. I didn't mean to make you mad. I think it's because those are reaction strike lures. You just want them to see it, although sunfish have chartreuse tails (hard to see out of the water) and shad have some chartreuse in them. Have you noticed that things that swim in the water column look different then things that live on the botom. Shad are bright so that when predators look up they blind in with the sky. Craws are dark because they want to blend in with the bottom. That's why so many craws are blue so that they blend in with the rocks. Sunfish and bass do this as well. Sunfish have dark backs so that they blend in when predators are looking down but have light colored bellies so they blend in with the sky when seen from underneath. Bass are trained to see this. If not they would starve. Your jigs are a hunger strike (assuming that we aren't talking about swim jigs). You want to make it look as natural as possible so that it looks like something that Mr.Bucketmouth wants to eat. This is what I believe but please prove me wrong. You could find the next A-Rig or Senko fishing like this. Quote
Super User bigbill Posted September 2, 2013 Author Super User Posted September 2, 2013 You didn't make me mad at all. All opinions are welcome that's what this forum is about were talking bass fishing. I understand your point. Bb Quote
pbizzle Posted September 2, 2013 Posted September 2, 2013 You didn't make me mad at all. All opinions are welcome that's what this forum is about were talking bass fishing. I understand your point. Bb Okay, I just wanted to make sure because a lot of people are really over sensitive. Quote
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