Issues Casting A Kvd 1.5

[Smallmouth Hunter]

I recently bought a kvd 1.5 and i am having some difficulty casting this thing far. I can get about 30 yards with it on a lews tourney pro with 15lb red label fluoro. I fish a lot of ponds where I need distance and a 30 yard cast doesn't get the crank down into the strikezone. I am not really sure how to set the brakes for this lure i guess. I tried 2 on the centrifugals and 7 on magnets (spool tension set so that lure falls slowly) and i back lash every cast badly. I have to put the magnetics on 8 or 9 and the spool tension 1 click tighter to not backlash, and that cuts the distance down to 25 yards or less. I do have the hawgtech ceramic bearings so that is probably why i am having to set the brakes so high. How do you set your brakes for KVD 1.5 squarebills? (not a very broad question, sorry bout that)

 

All help is appreciated. Thanks

[iabass8]

well the 1.5 casts like a bullet and is very easy to cast on casting gear. 30 yards is more than sufficient distance to get the squarebill to it's running depth as well. 30 yards is longer than you think. are you using line conditioner with red label? the line isn't the best for manageability but it also isn't horrible either. a small treatment of KVD line and lure will make it behave for a long time. From personal experience, that line if left untreated on your spool and exposed to sun will cause it to "dry" and it can become a headache. What rod are you using? if you are using too heavy a rod, the lure won't load up causing insufficient casting distance. ceramic bearings are most likely a cause of your backlashes as well. these bearings really zip and w/o proper breaks or a trained thumb, backlashes can be a nightmare. loosen up on the breaks and EASE the cast while thumbing the spool. don't go for the hailmary cast. you will cast further than you think with an easy cast and a trained thumb. the bearings are meant to make casting easier. try sidearm casting as well. overhead bombing a lure can creates more wind resistance against the cast which will in turn slow the lure down but the spool is not slowing down resulting in a backlash if you aren't careful.

 

 

[MarkH024]

What rod are you using? If its not loading up you'll never get the distance you want.

[JeziHogg]

30 yards is a good cast with a 1.5. I'm using a Legend Xtreme 7'2 MM with a Gen 3 Winch and I get about 35 on average.

[Cgrinder]

3 brakes on. Magnets off or barely on, below 1.

[Diggy]

I'd try no magnets

[Smallmouth Hunter]

I am not using L&L cause i don't have any. I have never left it in the sun though. I am always using it is out in the sun so it has water on keeping it from drying. I tried thumbing it but i just couldn't control it. I was pressing relatively hard too. The centrifugal brakes were acting up yesterday so that is probably a big part of it. I need to put just a little oil on the brake race so the brakes aren't too strong, but not so much where they will be too weak. I always side arm it when I am casting long distance, but i wasn't whipping it very hard.

 

My rod is a h20 ethos 7'. I think it is a medium with fast tip. It says 1/4 - 1/2 oz lures. I think the kvd 1.5 is something like 1/2 oz.

The reel is definetly the problem. Its brakes are finicky with hollow lures/hard baits. They slow down faster than other baits and that is where the backlashes happen most for me. I heard somewhere that the magnetics brakes are for the end part of the cast, but i put the mags at 8 and it didn't help..

[.RM.]

What rod are you using? If its not loading up you'll never get the distance you want.

X2...

Yea what's the tip action & lure weight of the rod?

[Smallmouth Hunter]

I just tested it with 3 brakes on and magnets low. I didn't measure the distance with a tape measure or anything but it takes 50+ turns of the handle and the reel is a 6:1 ratio. I am guessing it averages about 20" per turn (since there is less line on the spool at end of cast, but after reeling in there is more = more line pick up) so that is right around 30 yards.. My math might be off so i will measure my cast later when i have some more free time.

 

Again, Thanks for all the help everyone

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

I just tested it with 3 brakes on and magnets low. I didn't measure the distance with a tape measure or anything but it takes 50+ turns of the handle and the reel is a 6:1 ratio. I am guessing it averages about 20" per turn (since there is less line on the spool at end of cast, but after reeling in there is more = more line pick up) so that is right around 30 yards.. My math might be off so i will measure my cast later when i have some more free time.

 

Again, Thanks for all the help everyone

I am not using L&L cause i don't have any. I have never left it in the sun though. I am always using it is out in the sun so it has water on keeping it from drying. I tried thumbing it but i just couldn't control it. I was pressing relatively hard too. The centrifugal brakes were acting up yesterday so that is probably a big part of it. I need to put just a little oil on the brake race so the brakes aren't too strong, but not so much where they will be too weak. I always side arm it when I am casting long distance, but i wasn't whipping it very hard.

 

My rod is a h20 ethos 7'. I think it is a medium with fast tip. It says 1/4 - 1/2 oz lures. I think the kvd 1.5 is something like 1/2 oz.

The reel is definetly the problem. Its brakes are finicky with hollow lures/hard baits. They slow down faster than other baits and that is where the backlashes happen most for me. I heard somewhere that the magnetics brakes are for the end part of the cast, but i put the mags at 8 and it didn't help..

This where the "Educated Thumb" term comes from. You have to very thumb pressure throughout the cast to get max performance. Braking systems help but won't eliminate backlash or over run by themselves.

[dodgeguy]

get rid of the flouro and put braid or suffix siege mono on.if you backlash then just throw it on spinning tackle.

[DirtyDeuceGoose]

I throw my 1.5's on a 7'MHF rod with a curado 200E7. Two centrifugal breaks set and the spool tension to where the lure falls pretty freely. Never had a problem with distance. Definitely agree with the educated thumb comment. The better you can feather, the looser you can have your spool tension

[J Francho]

A KVD 1.5 dives from 3-6' and weighs 3/8 oz..  With 15# diameter line, I'd wager it runs on the shallower end of that range.  Four or five turns of the handle, and it will be at depth.  30 yards, or 90' isn't the best cast one can make, but it's certainly sufficient.  I'd say you'd max out at 40-50 yards with a bait like that.  A 90' cast is plenty to get the bait to tracking depth, figuring that 70' of that cast will be productive.  that's 10' to get it down, and 10' back up to the boat, and that's being generous for a shallow crank. 

[MarkH024]

get rid of the flouro and put braid or suffix siege mono on.if you backlash then just throw it on spinning tackle.

The issue has nothing to do with Fluoro line. I use 15lb fluoro on my cranks and can bomb them.

To echo the others, 30 yds isn't all that bad on a squarebill.  Your rod seems pretty ideal although I have no experience with that brand of rod.  I think with some fine tuning of the reel you'll gain the extra ten yards or so that you're looking for.  Accuracy with squarebills outweighs distance. Most of my squarebill fishing is probably 30yds or less.  It doesn't take much to get squarebills to the appropriate running depth and it's far more important to get them in the spots you need them to be. Whether it be running along side of a dock, next to an isolated stump, or in between grass mats.

 

[Deleted account]

If you are barely reaching the fish with a 30 yd (a real 30 yds) cast, a crankbait is probably not what I'd be using. That being said, 30 yds with flouro is pretty good, with the right rod and 10-14 lb mono, you may be able to up that distance, but I'd still question the tactic, but hey, whatever works...

[new2BC4bass]

 

 

I can attest to this as well.  Backing off on the brakes while also easing up on the power of the cast resulted in casts as long (if not longer) than before with far less tendency to backlash or overrun.

 

I am not familiar with that brand rod (although I've read some very good reviews on the Ethos rods), but it should be okay although a Moderate or Med-Fast action would (should?) result in longer casts.  More of the rod flexes on a slower action rod which should result in longer casts using the same effort.

 

I can't say that my dual brake reels are set correctly yet.  So far I am finding I need more centrifugal brakes than I thought would be necessary.  For the most part this allows me to turn down the magnetic brakes....but not always...depending on brand.  It is a balancing act.  Not all brands react the same.  At least not for me.

 

If I am throwing for ultimate accuracy, I throw overhand.  If throwing for distance, it may be overhand, but usually I use a sidearm roll cast....2-handed, of course, in either case.

[JD96]

My golf swing coach is an avid fisherman, and swears by shimano (that's how I got hooked) and he was tuning up my Curado E for me and I watched as he casted a swim jig further than I ever had. I watched how the lightly thumbed the spool throughout the cast and once I learned how to do that, it was game on.

[Smallmouth Hunter]

My golf swing coach is an avid fisherman, and swears by shimano (that's how I got hooked) and he was tuning up my Curado E for me and I watched as he casted a swim jig further than I ever had. I watched how the lightly thumbed the spool throughout the cast and once I learned how to do that, it was game on.

I am actually purchasing a curado 200e5 off another forum member at this time for cranking. Can't wait to use it!