Hyrule Bass Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 You buy a license, you play by the rules. Not your rules, their rules. Your buddy did get a break, he got to keep his gear. Going to a judge most likely will not help, he disobeyed the law. Going in front of a judge can help. I just went to court for a reckless driving ticket that got reduced to improper driving. now the cop recommended it be reduced, but i still had to appear for that to happen. so why did the cop not just write me a ticket for improper driving? because in VA the law prohibits him from doing so, a judge must agree to reduce the charge to improper from reckless. also a couple people had their tickets thrown out altogether. going in front of a judge can help, of course if youre the type to just bend over and take it by not going to court, well thats on you...
Super User flyfisher Posted August 23, 2013 Super User Posted August 23, 2013 It isn't even about doing it on purpose. If you don't keep your license in your box like I do it is perfectly plausibe that you just forgot it in your car. Or even if I intended to wear it, it is plausible that one day I left it in my box. I really deserve a ticket of over $100 bucks and a misdemeanor after I paid for a license and supported proper fish management? If you actually believe that I feel bad for you. I THOROUGHLY believe in taking care of the environment and giving some money for a license to help manage fisheries. If doing what is right and responsible gets thrown in my face by the DNR because of a moronic technicality, you can bet I'm going to do something about it. I bet you don't forget it again though.....excuses are not up to the officer to determine if applicable or not in most cases, that is what the judge is for.
Zach Dunham Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 I bet you don't forget it again though.....excuses are not up to the officer to determine if applicable or not in most cases, that is what the judge is for. Maybe, maybe not. But you are missing the point. The rule itself is ridiculous and pointless and is literally there to shaft people who follow the rules; especially when it is easy to just have an electronic system in place that would fix all of this. If you just want to lay down and let them walk all over you, be my guest. If something like this happens to me, I know a few people who could blow this up in the newspapers and make a big enough deal to change the rules. We make this country what we want. This is literally exactly the same as DUI laws. If you really wanted to get rid of drunk driving, you would just make it a law for all cars to have a breathalyzer to start them and then it is impossible to drive drunk. But of course, that would stop the cash flow that DUIs bring in to the police. This is the same exact thing, the only reason a rule like that exists when there are obviously more sensible ways of doing things, is MONEY. 1
Super User flyfisher Posted August 23, 2013 Super User Posted August 23, 2013 Maybe, maybe not. But you are missing the point. The rule itself is ridiculous and pointless and is literally there to shaft people who follow the rules; especially when it is easy to just have an electronic system in place that would fix all of this. If you just want to lay down and let them walk all over you, be my guest. If something like this happens to me, I know a few people who could blow this up in the newspapers and make a big enough deal to change the rules. We make this country what we want. This is literally exactly the same as DUI laws. If you really wanted to get rid of drunk driving, you would just make it a law for all cars to have a breathalyzer to start them and then it is impossible to drive drunk. But of course, that would stop the cash flow that DUIs bring in to the police. This is the same exact thing, the only reason a rule like that exists when there are obviously more sensible ways of doing things, is MONEY. I completely see your point but to make soemthing electronic is not as easy as you think. And to Dwight's post earlier it is the law so either abide by it, go against and pay the penalty or try and change i through the appropriate channels. And believe it or not, not everything is out there to try and make money. THe DUI example is a poor one really so i won't even acknowledge the absurdity of it all.
Zach Dunham Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 I completely see your point but to make soemthing electronic is not as easy as you think. And to Dwight's post earlier it is the law so either abide by it, go against and pay the penalty or try and change i through the appropriate channels. And believe it or not, not everything is out there to try and make money. THe DUI example is a poor one really so i won't even acknowledge the absurdity of it all. You say that but you fail to explain why that example is poor. I'd appreciate even one reason why that is absurd. PM me we don't need to change the topic on the thread. I'd be interested in hearing if there is actually something I am missing. Making it electronic is a piece of cake. I'm a software engineer, I know how easy it is. You buy your fishing license and you get electronically rung up for it as it is now. Making a database with such simple information as driver's license, first and last name, and address, is SO easy I could do it by myself in an hour. It would take me literally 5 seconds to type in a first and last name and see, ah, they have a license this year.
Super User A-Jay Posted August 23, 2013 Super User Posted August 23, 2013 Maybe, maybe not. But you are missing the point. The rule itself is ridiculous and pointless and is literally there to shaft people who follow the rules; especially when it is easy to just have an electronic system in place that would fix all of this. If you just want to lay down and let them walk all over you, be my guest. If something like this happens to me, I know a few people who could blow this up in the newspapers and make a big enough deal to change the rules. We make this country what we want. This is literally exactly the same as DUI laws. If you really wanted to get rid of drunk driving, you would just make it a law for all cars to have a breathalyzer to start them and then it is impossible to drive drunk. But of course, that would stop the cash flow that DUIs bring in to the police. This is the same exact thing, the only reason a rule like that exists when there are obviously more sensible ways of doing things, is MONEY. A-Jay 1
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted August 23, 2013 Super User Posted August 23, 2013 You should write to your legislator and suggest how easy it is. Short of that, the rules obviously are not up for interpretation. I take the chance that I'll come across a fish warden that is understanding because, as I previously stated, I attach my license to a fishing bag and not a piece of my clothing. I know the law and if I get clipped for it, I really have no one to blame but myself. I don't always agree that 65 is too fast for me to be driving, but that is the law and again if I choose to skirt that limit I have no one to blame but myself. why is there a huge problem with disagreeing with authority when authority is clearly wrong? I take a bit of issue with this statement as well. You are not in a position to determine what is right and what is wrong. That's the point. 2
Zach Dunham Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 I take a bit of issue with this statement as well. You are not in a position to determine what is right and what is wrong. That's the point. OK then, I'll leave it at just the one part of the question, why is it wrong to disagree with authority and/or the rules? I have done so with a logical argument. No threats, all coherent and laid out.
Zach Dunham Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 I'm officially retiring from this topic as it is obviously not going to go anywhere. Oh, and I actually have written my legislators about rules and laws in the past. The problem is, one person means nothing to them, you need a lot of people who are willing to stand up for things and not just get walked on.
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted August 23, 2013 Super User Posted August 23, 2013 Also, saying: And as for the gear, if I have a fishing license less than 50 feet away from me and can produce it in a few seconds, and some DNR guy tries to take my gear, things will not end well. and thinking that anyone would interpret it any way other than: To threaten law enforcement or a "DNR guy" is a crime in and of itself. If you are implying physical force, you might win the battle, but you will most definitely lose the war. I dont know what to tell you, not really sure how else to interpret that. 2
Super User A-Jay Posted August 23, 2013 Super User Posted August 23, 2013 OK then, I'll leave it at just the one part of the question, why is it wrong to disagree with authority and/or the rules? I have done so with a logical argument. No threats, all coherent and laid out. When you make these statements to men who have devoted their entire adult life to law enforcement - you tend to get this type of reaction. A-Jay 1
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted August 23, 2013 Super User Posted August 23, 2013 Can we add "venting about law enforcement and perceived injustices" to the list of things that get locked automatically? I dont know that in all my time here anything constructive has developed from one of these threads..... 2
Zach Dunham Posted August 23, 2013 Posted August 23, 2013 Only because I feel like I now need to defend myself, what I WOULD do is make a big stink on scene (short of actually threatening someone), make sure the officers name was published and that the story got out via internet and/or newspaper (if they actually believe in the ticket they wrote, they should have no problem with it), and I would show up to court and do as much as I could to get a stupid rule changed.
Super User A-Jay Posted August 23, 2013 Super User Posted August 23, 2013 Wait for it . . . . . . A-Jay 4
Super User roadwarrior Posted August 23, 2013 Super User Posted August 23, 2013 I think that's enough. Good night Irene. -Kent a.k.a. roadwarrior Global Moderator 7
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