Braided Line Vs. Rod Eyelet Wear?

[bigbill]

Which braided line is the toughest on wearing the rod eyelets?

My son works were they are testing rod eyelets and different materials for wear. He

wanted to know which line was the most abrasive, they want to preform life tests. Bb

[skeletor6]

I don't have any scientific information to back it up, but commonsense tells me a linewith less weaves would be more abrasive. Powerpro has 4 weaves I believe....half of many of the 8 weaved braids so perhaps powerpro? Also, it is a highly used line so the results would be interesting to many on the board.

 

Second consideration is line diameter. The really thin diameter braids would do more damage than the wider diameters. So there are a few variables in play.

[bigbill]

He would like to use the worst wearing braided line for his test.

[Kevin22]

Worst I have found was stren super braid. 

[SirSnookalot]

I've many used different brands but original power pro is by far my most used. Never a grooving problem with any of them, from 10# to 30. I tried 10# pp silk today, seemed very decent, give it some time for an opinion.

[.RM.]

Which braided line is the toughest on wearing the rod eyelets?

My son works were they are testing rod eyelets and different materials for wear. He

wanted to know which line was the most abrasive, they want to preform life tests. Bb

What materials are they testing,  Aluminum Oxide, Hardloy, Alconite, Titanium, GoldCermet, Silicon Carbide? 

[S Hovanec]

Its not the line that causes the guide wear, its the contaminates that are picked up from the water while fishing. None of today's ceramic guides will wear, however,I have replaced many steel inserted tips that were grooved.

[EdRitchie]

I have just recently started using braids. About 2 months now. I don't see any signs of wearing on eyelets. I have a spin reel with 15lb and a bait caster with65lb . The spin reel has Spiderwire stealth and the caster BPS . Knock of wood............. no wera issues on eyelets yet.

Ed

[gravestone]

Having used braid since 1998 on my surfcasting rods throughing lures between 1-3oz , fishing 4-5 nights a week and catching striped bass to #36 I've experienced ZERO guide wear using fugi hardoloy guides.

The braids I've used are: Suffix performance braid , Powerpro & Fireline.

[Scott F]

If you want some braided line that can cut into guides, try to find some kevlar line. I think Stren used to sell it many years ago. That was the line that gave braid a bad name.

[bigbill]

What materials are they testing,  Aluminum Oxide, Hardloy, Alconite, Titanium, GoldCermet, Silicon Carbide? 

I'm not sure we talked about so many materials I'm not sure which one. I did tell him he should be testing braid. I think he said one was cermanic but I'm not sure.

Ok stern super braid it is. Thanks BB

[Jrob78]

Its not the line that causes the guide wear, its the contaminates that are picked up from the water while fishing. None of today's ceramic guides will wear, however,I have replaced many steel inserted tips that were grooved.

This........and they're called guides.

 

If you actually want to get anywhere with your tests, you need to use rods with metallic rings/inserts and get the braid dirty first.

[Wayne P.]

I'm not sure we talked about so many materials I'm not sure which one. I did tell him he should be testing braid. I think he said one was cermanic but I'm not sure.

Ok stern super braid it is. Thanks BB

 BS, Stren Super Braid has a slick finish is not as rough as original Power Pro.

 

Remember a superline is basically plastic and plastic is not harder than rod guides. Silica is harder than most guides and that is what gets imbedded in braided fibers and does the cutting of the guides.The more one fishes in dirty water, the higher the possiblility of guide erosion.

 

Either Dyneema or Spectra are the two fibers used in current superlines. Do a web search for both products.

[SirSnookalot]

Having used braid since 1998 on my surfcasting rods throughing lures between 1-3oz , fishing 4-5 nights a week and catching striped bass to #36 I've experienced ZERO guide wear using fugi hardoloy guides.

The braids I've used are: Suffix performance braid , Powerpro & Fireline.

Without out a doubt, if any place is more problematic to equipment than a beach, I don't know what it is. Sand is everywhere, salt air, and seaweed almost always has sand or some grit in it.  No problem with any kind of braid with any kind of guide insert.  

[rockchalk06]

I've many used different brands but original power pro is by far my most used. Never a grooving problem with any of them, from 10# to 30. I tried 10# pp silk today, seemed very decent, give it some time for an opinion.

 

 

Off the subject Snook, but I'd be really interested in hearing your opinions on it. I switched over to PP 40# slick Timber Brown this last winter. So far, so good. I'm bending 3x hooks and have little to no wear (other than color). I am looking to replace my spinning rig with it too.

 

To the OP, my suggestion would be to find the thinnest cheapest braid and try it. Chances are its going to be the most abrasive.

[SirSnookalot]

Off the subject Snook, but I'd be really interested in hearing your opinions on it. I switched over to PP 40# slick Timber Brown this last winter. So far, so good. I'm bending 3x hooks and have little to no wear (other than color). I am looking to replace my spinning rig with it too.

 

To the OP, my suggestion would be to find the thinnest cheapest braid and try it. Chances are its going to be the most abrasive.

I only used the 10# slick for about an hour and caught 3 small bass on a top lure, can't give much of a report on that.  I felt my improved clinch know was rock solid, casting distance was not any different than original PP, the line was smooth and quiet.  Using it on spinning gear time will tell how line twist will effect it, from my own experience the easier I cast braid the less wind knots, I try not to snap cast and when I do I seem to pay the price.  I bought the line @ DSG and they only had 150 yd spools, I prefer buying 300, even more so yesterday as I wanted to respool a small saltwater reel and test it today.  

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

In my mind, for such a test to mean anything at all the various guide materials should be tested with a variety of lines. Modern braid and guide materials have pretty much rendered grooving a non-issue. The exceptions would be the climatic circumstances already mentioned.

[Fishes in trees]

I use braid occasionally.  Over the past 5 years or so, I haven't noticed any significant wear issues.

 

EXCEPT  -  I had a Bud Erhard  Graphite/glass crank bait rod (purchased new at a sports show 1989 or 1990 I think)  The last few years it turned into my primary rattle trap rod, using 17 or 20 lb mono.  Last year I decided (for no good reason) that I should throw trap style baits on braid, so I wound some 65 lb power pro on to my Calcutta 200 TEGT.  Anyway, I found that I got a little better casting distance with roughly the same amount of effort.  Hook setting at a distance improved.  After 4 months or so, I noticed a distinct groove had been cut in the tip, and grooves were beginning to form in all the guides.  So, that rod has been benched for now, on the injured reserve until I can afford to put new guides on it.

 

In the meantime, I got a MH Bucoo Trap Caster from Walmart and it works great.   

[SirSnookalot]

With all the various rods already in service and just about every brand used, I think the test has been given on BR alone.  Looks to be the overwhelming opinion that braid causes no groove problems, at least for rods aren't older ones.

[S Hovanec]

Newer rods with PacBay Minimas and Berkley SS304 guides are prone to grooving, especially the tip. I've replaced many of them.

[Jrob78]

Newer rods with PacBay Minimas and Berkley SS304 guides are prone to grooving, especially the tip. I've replaced many of them.

Contrary to popular belief and their cost, Recoil Guides will also groove under certain situations.  If you want a real high end guide to use with braid, titanium sics are where it's at.

[S Hovanec]

I don't throw Recoils in that mix anymore cause I took too many beatings when i badmouth them. Plus, I have no first hand experience with them, only pics that others have of them grooved. I wish I would have kept all of the trashed Minimas and SS tips I've replaced. Some still don't believe it, but I've seen it. I REFUSE to replace them with a similar tip. Only ceramics go back on.

[einscodek]

Yea between the PPro and Sufix 832 braids I use from 10-50lb, I've yet to see any eyelet wear on any of my Fuji guides..

[MichBassMan]

I've also had the Berkley SS304 guides groove on at least 2 different rods, both at the tip.

[Diablos]

In the 20 years Ive been building custom saltwater fishing rods, I have never replaced a guide due to "braid grooves"

 

The only materials I have ever used were hialoy, aluminum oxide, alconite, sic, hardloy and cermet.