Ok Bow Gurus

[MDBowHunter]

Oh I know that it can be done, my bow will put my FPs and my BHs in the same spot every time. But I also believe that it cant be done with every BH out there, some just fly like crap no matter what. I also know that I just went out and spent over half of an hour trying to move the rest and not move the POI of my FP and I couldn't do it. As I said I moved the rest a 1/8th of an inch and it moved my POI by 3 inches, thats all the proof I need. 

 

All I can say is good luck Clayton. I hope you get it figured out, and if you lived in my area I would gladly stop by and give you some help.

[jbsoonerfan]

Post #14 you said BH tuning will change things up and your FP's will not fly the same as your BH's and you will need to re-tune.

 

If you tune your bow correctly the first time to shoot BH's and FP's to have the same impact, then there is no re-tuning.

 

I assume your bow is in tune if they both have the same POI, but obviously his is not which is why I have stated the things I have.

[MDBowHunter]

Again my bow has only been paper tuned THATS IT. I just choose to use a BH that will fly the same as a FP along with most bow hunters that I know.  I agree his bow isn't in tune thus is why I said to paper tune it in my first post, your the one who insists he just needs to BH tune it. Look Clayton asked for some advice and I gave him some. I know what I can do with a bow unlike you I do all the work on my own bow as I said. In your first post you just said take it to someone and let them fix it, so it's obvious that your going by what you've either read or been told and not what you know. But thats right if it's on the net it must be true. Also like I said earlier I went outside and tried to do this yesterday with no luck, have you? If your so confident that it can be done get a video camera and lets see it.  Again good luck Clayton sorry that this thread has turned to crap.

 

I'll say it one more time, if it was me I'd make sure that the bow was paper tuned first, then I would choose to use a BH that will fly as true as a FP. There are many out there that do and will put the deer in the dirt. Me personally I would never get hung up so hard on one BH that I would go to hell and back just to get it to fly straight, but thats just me. IMO your putting yourself through a lot of un-needed stress.

[clayton86]

I'm gonna try some new broad heads I'm gonna see if my buddy's t3 shoots better or maybe the nap kill zone when I get a dang paycheck gotta love the military getting guys paid on time it's been 3 weeks it's irritating when I need cash for stuff I can't use my GOV card on

[MDBowHunter]

Hey Clayton do you know if a NAP spitfire is legal in NY, or are they considered barbed also? If they're legal I have some that I don't use anymore that I'd be willing to give you, just PM me a shipping address. The spitfires fly awesome, and I only switched to the T3s because I think that hey do a little more damage. Every deer that I ever shot with the spitfires was found within 40 yards or less and I promise that they'll hit right where your FPs are hitting...

[clayton86]

Do the bladed stay "locked" when pulled out of a target? That's like the general rule for mechanicals the rage and T3 heads when pulled the blades stay locked in place where some collapse back forward. That's what I was told by a DEC officer basically he said if a deer or gravity can't pull it out because the blades lock in the back position.

[MDBowHunter]

No they do not lock in the open position, only while closed. Once they open they will collapse right back where they were.

[clayton86]

Yeah I just seen that on another forum I sent ya a pm bout it same time u posted this haha.

[jbsoonerfan]

 

Okay, I will let you come to your own conclusion as to what needs to be done.

 

Bottom line, his bow isn't properly tuned or his arrows aren't spined properly.

 

BTW, I have worked on many bows in my day, I said "I would take it to someone........" meaning that was my advice to him. I would work on it myself, but he acted like he didn't really know a whole lot about it, so that was my advice to him.

[clayton86]

Ok I did some quick BH tuning tonight and I mean quick have you ever tried to do something like this with 2 toddlers yeah it was a nightmare if shoot once my 4 year old would kick and scream to shoot his. I've gone from almost missing the target to they are just inches apart gt pics ill post tomorrow and give more details on what I did but I moved the hell out of my rest and my FP still has the SAME poi.

[jbsoonerfan]

Good deal. You are getting close. I am sure another member is going to call BS on your FP still having the same POI.

[clayton86]

pics of the holes wish I had a camera to film each shot to show if but I just got pics of the holes cuz I used a paper rifle target. Ill get them loaded tomorrow when I'm at work I have the worst cell service in my apt I'm not even on 3G typing this up pics don't ever upload to photo bucket here.

[MDBowHunter]

To be honest I hope he gets dead on, and in post 21 I did make a comment that if you could show me that I'd love to see and learn from it. But do I think it's the right route, No I do not but to each his own. The only thing that I want to come out of this, is for Clayton to go kill the biggest deer of his life with an awesome shooting bow. JB all you would've had to do is show me a vid of someone doing exactly what you described and I would've said your right, I am man enough to do that.

[clayton86]

Ok that's the paper. Now yes there are a lot of FP holes no where near bulls eye like I usually shoot like I stated I wasn't shooting the greatest and honestly I was rushing my FP shots and took a little extra with the BH mainly because well if I missed kiss that arrow goodbye little more expensive. At the end of the day I shot some FPs slow and they are right on the money.

Now this is at 30yds my first BH hit high right you can see it on the top right of the target off the paper.

I moved my rest again and that's what brought it to the one you see bottom left on the paper with the blue foam pulled out.

Another adjustment and that are the hight ones you see in the 8 and 7 ring.

Another adjustment and I dropped it to low again that's the one splitting the 8/7 ring on the bottom.

So then I just nudged it a bit and got it on the horizontal plane of the bullseye but a little right again.

This time I moved the rest left a touch. And that's my final shot holding pin on the center bullseye broad head just right of the POA and then I did 3 shots with FPs an they all went in the 10 ring.

Not my best shooting not even close almost ashamed to post that pic I'm used to putting every shot on that red dot. But for rushing and having my kids screaming and running around or wanting to shoot or pull my arrows I was wigging out stressed.

I will say at first because some hits were going left with the BH I thought that it was true that moving the rest would mess with the POI of my FP but just as a double check because my FPs were all over last night I told my boys to play in the sand box with the neighbor kid and that I was done and focused and shot again and they went right were I wanted them I'm happy with my results so far. Gonna do some more fine tuning and get my BH and FP touching.

[jbsoonerfan]

Okay man, well we will just have to agree to disagree then because you obviously have your mind made up.

 

There is a video in this thread where a guy shows exactly what I am saying. At the end of the video he shoots 2 arrows and says something along the lines of being able to shoot BH's and FP's to have the same POI, so I assume he shot both.

 

I also posted a link to a thread on AT where a guy posted pics of him shooting and told what he did to his arrow rest before each shot. Once again, he ended up having the same POI with both.

 

Now, Clayton has got real close to having the same POI doing the same thing.

 

There is always more than one way to skin a cat. If you can't admit that by watching the video, reading the thread on AT and reading what Clayton has wrote then I don't know what to tell you. I realize you may be a bow wizard and I never once doubted anything you said. But to come here and tell me that my suggestion is wrong, then I have a hard time with that.

 

Please tell me you did watch the video and read the thread on AT.

[clayton86]

Mission accomplished come on Oct 1

[jbsoonerfan]

Good deal Clayton.

 

Sorry about the thread going a little south. I just don't appreciate people trying to act like I don't know what I'm talking about.

 

Good luck this season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Edit, have you put a level on your arrow, or is it right through the berger holes

[clayton86]

Level on my arrow for what? Ya lost me

I'm happy I know if a deer steps in range it's a goner. Gonna do some more shooting now just a shot or two at a time in the morning to see how I shoot first thing when it's a bit colder not in the evening to simulate all scenarios

[jbsoonerfan]

A level to see if your arrow is perfectly horizontal. You really need a vise to level your bow and then you put a level on your arrow. If your bow has two berger holes you should be able to eyeball it and see how close it is.

 

I was just wondering. If a shop set it up, then this is something they probably did.

 

Edit, I don't know what bow you are using, so it may not be perfectly level. If it is single cam, you may need to be a little nock high.

 

However, if you are consistent with where you are now, I wouldn't worry about it.

[clayton86]

It's a Hoyt Rampage XT with a NAP Apache rest. I had a shop set it all up and tune it a few months ago. The shop is pretty reputable just have funky hours so it's hard to get in some times and back in march it was a 4 week turn around an that was the slow season.

[jbsoonerfan]

It should be good then.

 

Left and right should get you there

[MDBowHunter]

I'm glad to see it worked out for you Clayton, good luck with putting one in the dirt