Benifits Of Supertuning??

[The Young Gun]

I see a lot of people take quality reels and super tune them. I don't have many high quality bass reels but I have a revo toro winch 60 which I use for musky fishing.

What does all the super tuning do? Is drag upgrade included in this? Does it make me cast farther and the reel work better?

[.RM.]

Been discussed 100's of time here....

go here.......http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/99316-help-me-understand-super-tuning/?hl=%2Bsuper+%2Btunning#entry1093839

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good Luck & Tight Lines! 

[skeletor6]

^^^ Agreed.

 

Results will vary as well. Some reels tune better than others. Also, some reel techs do better work than others.

[skunked_again]

imo, the biggest results youll see is to clean and properly lube the reel. even out of the box new this makes a difference.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

If you have a current model with the infini spool design there is no advantage in super tuning that particular reel since the friction point we would polish have been taken out of the equation.

[Fishwhittler]

I see a lot of people take quality reels and super tune them. I don't have many high quality bass reels but I have a revo toro winch 60 which I use for musky fishing.

What does all the super tuning do? Is drag upgrade included in this? Does it make me cast farther and the reel work better?

 

That particular reel should show noticeable improvement in casting after tuning.  You might not get a whole lot more distance, but you'll get some and the reel will cast more effortlessly.  You'll probably find that you need to use more brakes to control the spool.

 

"Super-tuning" only has to do with polishing critical surfaces inside the reel, not adding upgrade parts.  There are drag washer sets available from smoothdrag.com if you want to go that route.  Looks like the set for the Revo Toro Winch will set you back $11 or so, plus $.99 shipping.  You'll need to email Dawn to make sure which set is for your reel; they have two different sets for the Revo Toro, I guess one for the older model and one for the new model.  No clue which is which.  

 

Your reel can be tuned as follows:  Polishing the spool shaft ends, brake race, inside of the pinion gear, and the drag stack's metal washers.  The spool bearings and level-wind bearings should also be flushed and re-lubed with a light reel oil.  Normally the level-wind bearings don't have anything to do with casting, but in the case of the Revo Toro the level-wind is synchronized with the spool, not the gear shaft, and the level-wind moves on the cast.  You could theoretically polish the metal shield for the level-wind in order to reduce friction as much as possible between the level-wind pawl and the shield.

 

Polishing the metal drag washers will help smooth out the drag even more and may increase power to some degree, though a carbontex drag will do more in both cases.  I'm still not sure if polishing the drag gives more or less power.  I've heard both arguments and tried both ways myself, and I'm still not sure.  Now I do it just to have my drags as smooth as possible.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

The Winch has a solid spool shaft and I've had very good results tuning them. The infini-spool full floating spool design in the Toro Winch and other Revos sx/stx/premier/mgx renders super tuning ineffective. The main friction point in a solid spool shaft design is between the spool shaft and inside the pinion gear. In full floating designs that section of the spool shaft is disengaged from the spool during casting.

Even though Revos come with carbon drags I still see some improvement running Carbontex and the upgrade relatively inexpensive. I'm a Smooth Drag dealer and extend a 10% off retail discount to members here.

[Fishwhittler]

The Winch has a solid spool shaft and I've had very good results tuning them. The infini-spool full floating spool design in the Toro Winch and other Revos sx/stx/premier/mgx renders super tuning ineffective. The main friction point in a solid spool shaft design is between the spool shaft and inside the pinion gear. In full floating designs that section of the spool shaft is disengaged from the spool during casting.

Even though Revos come with carbon drags I still see some improvement running Carbontex and the upgrade relatively inexpensive. I'm a Smooth Drag dealer and extend a 10% off retail discount to members here.

 

Did not know the Toro Winch has a two-part spool shaft.  Thanks for pointing that out.

 

Polishing the inside of the pinion bearing on such a reel will have no effect on casting.  Still, the ends of the spool shaft can be polished for slightly improved casting, and if the shaft that runs through the pinion gear is metal, the ends on it can be polished as well.

[new2BC4bass]

Not something you would be interested in with your Toro Winch 60, but I think upgrading bearings (and polishing if applicable) help to throw lighter baits without backlashing.

 

My first Sol was (still is) factory stock.  Wanted to use it for light lures.  I believe the lure I tried was a 3/16 oz. spinnerbait which we all know weighs more than 3/16 oz.  Every cast was an overrun or backlash until I tried throwing hard...which is my normal modus operandi.  Recently I have been throwing a 3/16 oz. Shad Rap on a tuned and upgraded Sol.  No overruns or backlashes.

 

Now I can't be sure that it is just because of the tune and upgrades, because I haven't used the factory Sol yet this year.  The reason for being able to cast a true 3/16 oz. may simply be because I have spent more time practicing this year.  My curiosity is now tweaked.  I'm going to have to compare the 2 reels on the same rod. 

[Jolly Green]

http://www.bassresource.com/fishing/supertune-baitcaster.html

 

This article is an outstanding read.  Personally, I don't care to screw around trying to eke out an extra few yards of casting distance, but the section on improving drag performance has some totally worthwhile ideas.  Ghoti and RM are Yoda-wise when it comes to this stuff.

[Fishwhittler]

Not something you would be interested in with your Toro Winch 60, but I think upgrading bearings (and polishing if applicable) help to throw lighter baits without backlashing.

 

My first Sol was (still is) factory stock.  Wanted to use it for light lures.  I believe the lure I tried was a 3/16 oz. spinnerbait which we all know weighs more than 3/16 oz.  Every cast was an overrun or backlash until I tried throwing hard...which is my normal modus operandi.  Recently I have been throwing a 3/16 oz. Shad Rap on a tuned and upgraded Sol.  No overruns or backlashes.

 

Now I can't be sure that it is just because of the tune and upgrades, because I haven't used the factory Sol yet this year.  The reason for being able to cast a true 3/16 oz. may simply be because I have spent more time practicing this year.  My curiosity is now tweaked.  I'm going to have to compare the 2 reels on the same rod. 

 

I'd like to add that spinnerbaits aren't particularly great at casting.  To me, they're just about the worst bait there is casting-wise if there's any wind at all.  Using short, hard casts is a must to prevent the line acting like a sail and backlashing my reels.  Haven't tried Daiwa's magnetic braking on them, but the Abu/BPS/Lew's/Pflueger dual-braking system is good at taming spinnerbaits.  Braided line also helps.