Super User *Hootie Posted August 3, 2013 Super User Posted August 3, 2013 After using these hooks for all this season, I can say I wont be buying anymore. Don't get me wrong, these hooks are everything they are advertised as. To excess, In my opinion. Strong, super sharp, too super sharp. These hooks simply destroy my plastics. You can't keep the hook point in the worm. They simply slice through it. The will also sometimes slice through the bass mouth, I believe . causing me to lose fish. Otherwise, a great hook, just to much of a good thing. My 2 cents. Hootie Quote
Kevin22 Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 That does not make any sense. The way a hook works it would be impossible to slice through a bass's mouth. You are probably just lipping them and giving them a hulk hookset, thus tearing the mouth. I have been using trokar for 2 years now and love them. Very very few lost fish unless they dive for cover and get off. I hardly ever set the hook with them. I just let the rod load and pull back, those hooks are so sharp you do not need to set the hook. Quote
NEjitterbugger Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Gamakatsu, wanna get on some moaners... Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted August 3, 2013 Author Super User Posted August 3, 2013 That does not make any sense. The way a hook works it would be impossible to slice through a bass's mouth. You are probably just lipping them and giving them a hulk hookset, thus tearing the mouth. Take a close look at the hook. They don't just have points, they have 3 sides, each corner sharpened to a razor edge, about 1/4" down all 3 corners. Hootie Quote
Kevin22 Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Take a close look at the hook. They don't just have points, they have 3 sides, each corner sharpened to a razor edge, about 1/4" down all 3 corners. Hootie Right but when upward force is put on a hook in a fishes mouth it creates a pivot and drives the hook into meat. It doesn't just pull until it catches. The hook will go in at a 45º+ angle, it should have enough initial force to penetrate and not slice. If the point was dull and the sides were sharp then it could probably slice, but that is not the case. The only way I believe a hook like a trokar could slice through a fishes mouth would be if you were using a swimbait and set the hook before the fish turned. You would have to pull straight out the fishes mouth with no upward or side angle. And if that happens, well it wasn't the hook's fault. I would be willing to bet that you are setting the hook way too hard and creating a big hole where the hook penetrated, enough of a hole for the barb to back out during the fight. You really do not need to set the hook like you see on TV when using a trokar, they are so darn sharp you just have to pull back gently and you will penetrate the roof of the mouth. Quote
DevilDoc Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 I love em but I use em with an o ring wacky style so they don't affect the plastic worms. I did catch my pb using them. Check under nh thread in New England forum Quote
CTGalloway21 Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 I do not lose hooks with Trokar. My hookup percentage has increased 10 fold since moving from generic to Trokar. Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted August 3, 2013 Author Super User Posted August 3, 2013 Trokar 6 hooks, $7.00 Gammys 12 hooks $7.00 BPS 25 hooks $7.00 Close, but not to the penny. Guess I will stick with the Gammys and BPS hooks. A matter of mileage. Hootie Quote
Kevin22 Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Do hook prices really matter that much? I mean really, how many hooks does one lose in a season? I lose maybe 10-15 EWG's in a year of fishing and maybe 20-25 wacky hooks (I use octopus). And most of those are lost because I leave them loose in the garage and they get buried. I probably spend $30 a year in hooks. That is 2 spools of line or about 8 bags of plastics. Both of those will be used in a month or less. If you figure how much money you spend on line, hardbaits, plastics, weights, and other term tackle, hook costs are very minimal. I am very willing to pay $6.99 for 6 hooks. The price of the hooks are the last thing I look at when determining which ones to buy. Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted August 3, 2013 Author Super User Posted August 3, 2013 Your money, you, My money, me....lol Hootie Quote
ChrisAW Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Take a close look at the hook. They don't just have points, they have 3 sides, each corner sharpened to a razor edge, about 1/4" down all 3 corners. Hootie Those edges are nowhere near "razor sharp." You couldn't cut paper with them, let alone flesh. The three sides just help make for a sharper point, and an easier way to do it versus a perfectly round point. Every fish I've stuck with these hooks have been hooked so well in the thicker part of their mouths, it wouldn't matter if I gave them slack, sat down and had lunch, or hand-lined them in. They weren't going anywhere. Any hook will tear the thinner membrane of a fishes mouth if you're horsing them in. I've had complete weakling hooksets on a surprise hit with Gami, Moaner, Owner, VMC, and Trokar. I have not missed a fish on Trokar yet. BUT! I will admit, the only reason I own any is because I got them on clearance at Wal-Mart for $3 a pack for some TK130's and some 3/0 SS-offset worm hooks. I still have a hard time buying them for $7 a pack. Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted August 3, 2013 Author Super User Posted August 3, 2013 My main concern was tearing up my plastics. Hootie Quote
Super User Catt Posted August 3, 2013 Super User Posted August 3, 2013 Do hook prices really matter that much? I mean really, how many hooks does one lose in a season? I lose maybe 10-15 EWG's in a year of fishing and maybe 20-25 wacky hooks (I use octopus). And most of those are lost because I leave them loose in the garage and they get buried. I probably spend $30 a year in hooks. That is 2 spools of line or about 8 bags of plastics. Both of those will be used in a month or less. If you figure how much money you spend on line, hardbaits, plastics, weights, and other term tackle, hook costs are very minimal. I am very willing to pay $6.99 for 6 hooks. The price of the hooks are the last thing I look at when determining which ones to buy. Come fish the Big Pond & see how many hooks you'll lose in Hydrilla, Coontail Moss, Milifol, Buck Brush, Trees, Lay downs, & double digit bass! Trokar's are $2+ each, ain't worth it! Quote
CTGalloway21 Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 well I stock up on my Trokars when they have the quarterly buy one get one free at Academy. So when you buy them then, they are the same price as a Gammy. I don't play around when it comes to hooks. You get what you pay for. Bass Pro hooks are cheap and cheap made. Quote
Super User Catt Posted August 3, 2013 Super User Posted August 3, 2013 So ChrisAW your 100% on you hook sets! Pretty d**n good you'll have to give me lessons Quote
Cwitherington3 Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Blah blah a hook is a hook iv used Trokar and really wasn't impressed. The tip is very sharp but I found after a couple trips the tip actually gets bent because of how thin the point is. IMO don't waist your money go with gamakatsu or owner. They will do the same job and last alot longer. 1 Quote
ec1 Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 I can only say that the trokars have definitely landed a bunch of fish that I would have lost with other hooks. I find that with the trokars, I can lean in onto a fish and be able to land fish while when I do that with other hooks, I lose fish more often. Quote
ChrisAW Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 So ChrisAW your 100% on you hook sets! Pretty d**n good you'll have to give me lessons Not entirely, what I meant by that was with a Trokar, I haven't had a fish come unbuttoned because of a weak hookset. They pierce very well. Quote
Basseditor Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Since switching to Trokar, my son's hook up and landing percentage has gone up. I do agree they tear up plastics. But I'm beginning to use them more when I use light line. When I use heavy line, I still use other premium brands. Stock up when you see them on sale. Quote
Kevin22 Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Come fish the Big Pond & see how many hooks you'll lose in Hydrilla, Coontail Moss, Milifol, Buck Brush, Trees, Lay downs, & double digit bass! Trokar's are $2+ each, ain't worth it! All of that (besides the 10lb bass) and broken concrete rip/rap banks are what I fish here. If I get snagged I go get it out. Snagged on moss and weeds? come on.. use the proper gear and pull them out. I've been snagged hundreds of times this year and lost maybe 1 or 2 hooks. If you are breaking off on coontail, hydrilla, and milfoil then you really need to get some new line. Drop the rod tip and rip it out. Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted August 4, 2013 Author Super User Posted August 4, 2013 well I stock up on my Trokars when they have the quarterly buy one get one free at Academy. So when you buy them then, they are the same price as a Gammy. I don't play around when it comes to hooks. You get what you pay for. Bass Pro hooks are cheap and cheap made. BPS hooks are great. Anytime I have ever lost a hook, ya know, it's never been the hooks fault. You get what you pay for? Ahh, if only that were always true. Hootie Quote
Super User aavery2 Posted August 4, 2013 Super User Posted August 4, 2013 I use the Trokar hooks almost exclusively, I was skeptical at first and had good success with Gamakatsu and Owner. Since I switched I have seen a greater amount of my hooksets through the roof of the mouth and gill plates. My advice is buy a pack, try them out and see if they work for your fishing. Quote
derekxec Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 i like owner hooks...they are strong sharp and cost half the price for the same quality...i rarely miss fish and i hardly set up on any of them and when i do set up its very small lol and surely have never had to sharpen one with that said i have never bent an owner hook either although 1 time i did break one in half lol Quote
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