Imports, From China??

[Maxximus Redneckus]

And if they can't even make a can opener open a can the right way anytime .amagine the more complicated things

[bigbill]

I got away from electric can opener I purchased the kitchen aid hand can opener for the whole family, along with a kitchen aid mixer and a keurig coffee maker for everyone too. I want my kids to have good stuff plus dad gets great coffee to with the fresh cakes too. Don't forget about the fresh pasta too. My wife wears out vaccumnes too I purchased her a Dyson the pet hair one since the Dyson no more wearing them out.

I ordered the Chinese baitcaster reel. I got the right handed crank. I'm amberdexterious anyway from working under car dashboards. I can use either left or right hand reels.

For $35 delivered we will hammer it this fall.

Most of our fishing stuff is marked made in China anyway. All my rods are made in China.

I mainly use Finor spinning reels from Florida. My other reels are okuma spinning reels.(Japan)

My baitcasters are Mitchell, Shakespear & okuma.

I have to go were the best value, quality and price is. I like trying and testing new products I done this for the engineering group I worked for over 20years in the r&d test lab. We would develop it here in the USA then send it to a sister company overseas to be manufactured there. Then we took there first products that they manufactured to our designs here to life test them to see if there up to our standards. China is one of our sister companies. My company has been into overseas manufacturing since the late 1800's. It's surely paying off in profite today. My engineering group is one of the top ten in the country.

You know when our sister company in Japan came to see us. The Japanese people want the latest and greatest technology available today no matter what the cost but it better be dependable and reliable. We need to manufacturer the best product out there. We also have the most modern test labs in the country for testing electronics too. Other companies send there stuff to be tested to us.

I know all about quality and testing for it.

[baluga]

As the famous Chinese trading catch phrase goes "Mai Yi Song Yi"........

 

 

buy one take one..

[Maxximus Redneckus]

Not to be political...but buying/dealing with a commie country is like selling guns to drug dealers because they pay top dollar....in that perspective it just ain't right

[bigbill]

It's our American free trade system that allows it.

After losing my job in '83, again in '84, again in '85 due to cheaper machine tools from overseas no one cared but I seen this happening down the road for sure. Then I found a great job with sisRioter companies in every country over the world that has manufacturing capabilities too. We do all the engineering in the USA. Then most of it goes overseas to be manufactured. It's the American way, it's our free enterprise system.

If we didn't import our goods here we wouldn't have any cars, no appliasces, no tv's, no music, no fancy electronics, nothing. Think about it hardly anything is made here. The car manufacturers from Japan moved here. There hiring more Americans than the American car companies.

There is a big shift in manufacturing going on. We have gotten fat, dumb and lazy and the Mexicans are taking the lower paid jobs.

It's like we're importing people who want to work.

Now we're does that leave the Americans who want to work? Remember me in '83, in'84 and In '85??? Out of work right.

[SirSnookalot]

When I first went into the scrap business back in the early 70's driving American products was a must, bad things happened if you didn't.  Either you were not allowed past the gate guard, could walk out of a plant to a flat tire, or be personally threatened.  That's changed to quite a degree but if I were still in business my work vehicles would still be American.

 

We weren't union but paid very close to union scale and benefits based on job description.  Employed were people of Anglo ancestry, African American, and Mexican or Latin ancestry.  I will say the Mexicans were never late, seldom missed a days work, didn't take cash advances, gave the maximum effort, never said " that's not my job", and always had a smile on their face.

[Kevin22]

I'll be looking forward to seeing your review on the reel! 

[bigbill]

When I was 100% buy American products in the early 80's no one else was. Then in 1983 what caused our first recession? I went from union job to union job. More like sinking ship to sinking ship. I don't think no one took the lumps more than I did. No one seen it. Today we're still spiraleing downward. We never go up, we level off for a while then dive again. The booming 60's, 70's are long gone. The good paying trade jobs are gone too. In the 80's it was the 21% interest rates on new machine tools that took my job. No one is going to buy a million dollar machine at 21% interest. Sometimes I think the

middle class gets too far up the ladder money wise so having a recession knocks us back down again.

I can't wait to try this new reel. It could be there foot in the door to supply us with fishing stuff. They been doing it for years and we never noticed it. We probably taught them how to manufacture lures and reels already anyway. Now they cut us out and there on there own. We did predict when China starts manufacturing look out.

[Capt.Bob]

Looking forward to the lock on this thread

Ya,,,, reality is kinda scarey aint it!    

[bigbill]

I think most of these break out companies probably did work before making reels for a name brand shop that sells fishing equipment. Or they copied someone's reel.

[Kevin22]

It may not take you a month to get it. I bought some chinese jerkbaits (I know, crap.. but 6 for $1 I will find a use for them!) straight from hongkong, they arrived at my door in 9 days including a weekend. 

[primetime]

Almost every fishing reel you can buy now is made overseas.. Keep in mind that Paatents do not apply overseas as in America..I used to only use Daiwa and Shimano reels growing up and then started buying Revo's and Pflueger and recently Okuma....Long story short...Even a Japanese lure is most likely manufactured in either China, Honk Kong, Malaysia, Thailand, or Costa Rica, Mexico....I recently purchased a Pflueger Supreme for $90 a year ago and was at a Gander Mountain and could not help but notice that their 9bb Plus one reel looked exactly the same as the Plueger and then the Shakespeare for $30 felt the same and had writing in all the same places. I did research and they are all made in Korea, but that is also not true. All Bass Pro Reels are made in China and they don't lie because all the cheap and best stuff is made in China. We do not even make Ardent anymore. It may say Made in USA, but that is because they are allowed to say it is as long as one piece like a washer is made in the USA...Even Yo-zuri lures say...Assembled In Phillipines..BUt are made in China.....You can buy Yo-zuri lures from China direct but they are expensive and will not save you money unless you buy 1,000 or 10,000.

 

Long story short....My Okuma Serrano, Helios, Pflueger Supreme, Bass Pro Reels, and Revo's have all been ok but have had alot of issues compared to the reels I used to get from SHimano, Daiwa, and Bass Pro growing up....I purchased identical Chinese reels of the Pflueger supreme, and another reel that had same coloriing and carbon body like the Helios for $45. I also matched up the best reel Cabelas Sells and found that in China for $21.

 

Alll 3 reels are the exact same reels and now everyone in my fishing circle just buy them from China. Reverse Engineering anyone? Maybe...But no plastic gears and all the scare tactics people use. My "Fake Pfueger is the exact same and handles as well and so are all the rest...If it is made in China, than if it weighs the same, looks the same, has same gear ratio, line capacity, magnetic drag etc...IT is not a knockoff..The term Chinese Knock off does not make sense unless you are looking to buy a Ford Car in China.Every OEM or Company in China is sold on a stock exchange like in the USA if they are public,  and every company has to disclose where it's products are made. I found all Bass Pro lures/reels/Rods were made by an OEM in China and that Same Oem also makes 75% of the lures you and I buy for alot of money....They save you about 40% to buy direct, and they are the same....You can get cheap lures in china just like you can in the USA. You get what you pay for but if you realize that a Gander Mountain reel and a Shakespeare and a Bass Pro reel are all the same reel with different "Brands on them"....Why not buy the same one that has chinise writing as it is the same reel....

 

Long story short..You will love your new reel....Japan Barely makes anything in the fishing industry...Maybe they assemble it after China makes 99%. I now have 3 baitcasters that cost me under $100 that would retail for roughly $600 in the USA or $400 if I just went to bass pro, Cabela's or Gander. My Serrano and Helios are the same and actually my "Fake" Pflueger Supreme seems to be better. All the Abu Garcia reels are garbage in my opinion especially the Revo.

 

and one more....I used to have a $320 Japanese Megaforce Daiwa reel that I loved..I sold it on Ebay for $200...Good thing...I now have the same reel for $66 bucks. Been 9 months, have landed 30lb snook no problem...Drag is great...reel is great....Enjoy...It is the new world....Capitalism baby!!!!! Why would any company build in the USA when they can go overseas? Wallmart is perfect example. Without China we would not have any jobs at all, forget about Manufacturing....

 

I am a rep for a large American Company who makes top end Electronics and Everything we make is made in China.....our TV at Best buy for $1500 is not really any different than the one at wallmart for $900...Except the model number ends with a 35 instead of 00.....We all get caught up in China makes junk...Ever been to Icast? Does Berkley Powerbait and Gulp even have American Writing on the packages? If you are looking for only American Made Lures and line and reels, have fun fishing with just a limited selection of inferior products  that cost alot more money....I think it is terrible, but in the 80's supply side economics or as George Bush called it against Reagon- Voodo Economics until he got into office and supported the same policies has changed our country forever and China, Indonesia, Malaysia create our jobs....We can't even build road and bridges anymore

[primetime]

Also...Prado- which makes Booyah, Rebel, Smithwick and about another dozen tackle companies...Storma and Rapala....CHINA....Rapala is no longer tank tested..Start looking at your lures more carefully and you will be suprpised....My Lucky Craft Pointer is made in China just like all my Sebile Lures as Ilure makes them.....I met the nice Chinese Factory reps at Icast.....THey make new soft baits and companies like Berlkley just add them to the Havoc, Powerbait and Gulp Lines and so does Reaction Strike, Northland etc...I met the reps for each company and went through the Chinese catalogs 2 years ago and thought to myself....Who would ever want to make this terrbible soft bait part of their product line.....Now it is called the Sick Fish and in the havoc line. I grabbed samples of the beat Shad 2 years ago from the chinese.

 

Skinny bear and Roboworm etc....Easy to get in China and MOQ is only 1000 pieces...Strike king is now Costa Rica. I could go on forever as I have had a blast buying spro Lures for $4.00 and getting the Jackall Giron for $6. 

[gravestone]

Any thoughts or experience with these Chinese reels?

 

 

 

 

Chinese reels are like the Japanese reels of the 60's. Japanese reels were inferior to American & European reels. Today Chinese reels are inferior to Japanese reels.

[SirSnookalot]

@primetime.........well said and for the most part I think you are right on the money.

[bigbill]

I just purchased 20 fishing rods, new old stock. Everyone of them no matter what brand says "Made in China".

Every fishing product I purchase, after I purchase it says made in China. From rods, to reels, to lures, to line, to even snap swivels.

Look at our clothes, our home products, everything is from China or Japan but more likely from China..

I was buying Chinese lures on an auction site for 6 for, 5 for, 4 for around $5 with free shipping. Slowly but surely I'm seeing some of them going for just 1 for under $4. The amount is going down while the cost is going up. Every Chinese reel there has bids on them. The cheaper ones.

I wish we would import the barefoot doctors who ride bicycles who cure cancer would come here too. Our survival rate could be higher.

[*Hootie]

Starting to get very close to political views here. I believe that is taboo on this forum.

I think we should have a catagory called "All I want to do is gripe." Thats mostly all I have gotten from this topic.

Hootie

[Maxximus Redneckus]

Agreed...hootie.btw I just bought 3 made in USA products that kids in a third world did not build for 1spoonful of food for the week I'm happy twice.

[Capt.Bob]

Starting to get very close to political views here. I believe that is taboo on this forum.

I think we should have a catagory called "All I want to do is gripe." Thats mostly all I have gotten from this topic.

Hootie

 

 

Agreed...hootie.btw I just bought 3 made in USA products that kids in a third world did not build for 1spoonful of food for the week I'm happy twice.

This is the only thing I heard that made sense on this thread!!   FOR GOD SAKE,,,,, now they want to import doctors that can't afford shoes,,,,,     It is time to put the kids and their mentors to bed,,,,,Where the he!! is a Mod when their needed!!!

[Capt.Bob]

you gotta be kidding me, the anti is being supported??????????? this is ridiculous, don't mention your lack of lust for foreign markets,,,,,,, why are the only views supporting American made preferences being banned????????   Is it because we are being supported by foreign markets, take head American's,,,,,,or is that a question that can't be asked also,

[Glenn]

Bob....knock it off.  You asked for a mod, then you complain the thread got modded.  I removed posts that were leaning to far past the "no politics" rule we have.

 

I tried to calm this thread down, but obviously you won't let it.

 

We're done.