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I had a conversation with my tournament buddy and he was riding me for using 100% braid with no leader 90% of the time I fish. I only use mono for cranks and jerkbaits, and I use Flouro for leaders and a couple of spinning set ups I have for finesse presentation.

 

So, he swears up and down that trophy size big bass will see the line and turn and burn, while others while hit it. We went back and forth till he ask me if I knew any angler that had caught a 10+ bass on braid with a bottom lure presentation, I.E., jigs, worms,  and other lures that are not reactive baits.

 

I had no answer. The largest bass I've caught was 9.6 lbs on braid, but that day I was using a 20lb flouro leader.

 

Any of you know anybody that has?

 

I really think the question is a good one, and I am just trying to see if he has a point.

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I think the idea that fish will see your line is way overrated.  If you fish really clear water for highly pressured fish, it might make a difference but for the most part, I don't think it does.  If fish will hit an A-rig with all the metal hanging off of it, they will hit a bait with braid.  

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that's an easy one. asking how many anglers use a leader that punch mats or thick vegetation in florida. all that is done with straight braid. one could argue that doing so is a "reaction bite" but you will often punch the mat and the bass will follow the bait to the bottom and wait for you to shake it on the bottom until it bites.

 

it would depend on the water clarity as well. if the water is extremely dirty then it would be more than possible double digit bass was caught dragging large creature bait or pitching to brush. I'm sure there's more than one person on this board that has done it as well. clear water bass are obviously more "weary" of presentations that it takes perfect presentations to fool the older, larger bass that didn't get that big being fooled by fishing pressure.

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Yes I know some anglers that have done it.

I have several times using weightless worms rigged weedless wacky like my avatar.

 

It's the presentation that attracts the fish. They are not scared of fishing line in any color. Fish don't know what fishing line is. A crayfish's antennas look like superline, the bass don't run off to the other end of the lake when they see that "line".

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Yes I know some anglers that have done it.

I have several times using weightless worms rigged weedless wacky like my avatar.

 

It's the presentation that attracts the fish. They are not scared of fishing line in any color. Fish don't know what fishing line is. A crayfish's antennas look like superline, the bass don't run off to the other end of the lake when they see that "line".

 

I think the idea that fish will see your line is way overrated.  If you fish really clear water for highly pressured fish, it might make a difference but for the most part, I don't think it does.  If fish will hit an A-rig with all the metal hanging off of it, they will hit a bait with braid.  

 

 

Great points!!

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I know this is not the answer you are looking for, but I have caught 2 DD bass on straight braid.  Both were reaction lures though. 

 

Jeff

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It depends on where you fish, the cover density, the activity level of the bass, day or night, and the prey type the bass are targeting....lots of variables,

The question about bottom bumping lures would indicate casting and retrieving verse flipping. If you are fishing more open water zones with good water clarity, then it will make a difference if the bass are looking closely at the lure presentation.

Back when I was bait fishing with live crawdads and water dogs there were times when 8# green mono would out fish 8 lb clear mono. Fishing live shad you sometimes had to go with 6 lb to get bit.

It's been 40 years since I have bait fished, however there are days that I go down to 8 lb FC from 10 lb FC to get a jig bite where I fish. The same lake at night you can fish straight 50 lb braid and do well and most of the time I use 12 to 14 lb FC, never fish direct braid during the day.

Tom

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Just an opinion  but I don't think it matters to the fish.

 

It only matters to the angler working the rod and bait ,whether it's soft plastics , cranks , jigs  etc..

 

If you don't have or lose  confidence in your equipment or how you rig them then you won't catch fish.

 

If it makes you feel more confident to use a mono or fluoro leader with braid then you should use one.

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THe fish I fish for don't read bass pro catalogs that I know of. the don't know what the line is nor do they now what the latest gimmick on the market is. the have one gear and that's eat.

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i dont know what an alien space ship is...but after being abducted once Id be much more hesitant about lights in the sky

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i dont know what an alien space ship is...but after being abducted once Id be much more hesitant about lights in the sky

 

There are people that claim to have been abducted by aliens multiple times :Idontknow:

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Heck, even a yankee five pounder will own you in the milfoil and coontail up here.  For weed fishing, I always tie direct, no leader.

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When it comes to finesse fishing I believe it's the line diameter not the material that makes a difference. I live in the north where there are no 10lbrs to be caught on any size line but have caught 5+ lbrs on straight braid.

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i dont know what an alien space ship is...but after being abducted once Id be much more hesitant about lights in the sky

This is making the assumption that the fish are smart enough to realize that what htey saw was line and said line caused them to be caught and have a traumatic experience.

 

I for one don't think fish aer that smart...now in clear water fish are skittish about everything so i think DVT was dead on with diameter being the main issue and not color.

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This is making the assumption that the fish are smart enough to realize that what htey saw was line and said line caused them to be caught and have a traumatic experience.

 

I for one don't think fish aer that smart...now in clear water fish are skittish about everything so i think DVT was dead on with diameter being the main issue and not color.

 

 

Good point and one of the main reasons for using superlines--small diameter and high strength.

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I only use Power Pro (50lb test) on all but pan fish rigs.  I also use a mono (2-3 feet) of various weight leaders.   A 12 20 mono leader is much easer to break off when stuck 10+ feet below the surface.

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My personal best came out of a small pond in Florida... fished weighed just over 12 pounds. No leader, straight 40lb pound power pro on a texas rigged zoom lizard. 

 

Granted this was a small pound, so it didn't receive quite the fish pressure a lake like Clear Lake would, but I definitely wasn't the only one who fished it. 

 

 

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Heck, even a yankee five pounder will own you in the milfoil and coontail up here.  For weed fishing, I always tie direct, no leader.

Same here. I fish in horrid amounts of Eurasian milfoil and dense lily pads. Straight braid for me 95% of the time.

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i dont know what an alien space ship is...but after being abducted once Id be much more hesitant about lights in the sky

 

 

This is making the assumption that the fish are smart enough to realize that what htey saw was line and said line caused them to be caught and have a traumatic experience.

 

I for one don't think fish aer that smart...now in clear water fish are skittish about everything so i think DVT was dead on with diameter being the main issue and not color.

 

I have and Im sure others have caught a number of fish that had a hook in its mouth. So even with a hook in it the fish still can be fooled again.

And Im almost certain I have caught the same fish twice, unless there are two bass hanging in the same area without an upper lip.

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fish are capable of being conditioned.

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I don't really think fish are smart animals. Think about it. Reptiles, fish, and insects were here before mammals and birds. Without getting into that too deep you should be okay.

I've fished clear water where I KNEW the bass saw me and yes they seemed a bit shy but when that lure swings into their face they can't resist. Again, I think bass have a brain developed strictly for instinct. I don't believe they possess any cognitive ability...

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I don't really think fish are smart animals. Think about it. Reptiles, fish, and insects were here before mammals and birds. Without getting into that too deep you should be okay.

I've fished clear water where I KNEW the bass saw me and yes they seemed a bit shy but when that lure swings into their face they can't resist. Again, I think bass have a brain developed strictly for instinct. I don't believe they possess any cognitive ability...

 

Ive caught plenty of fish bass/catfish within a rod length of me. Im on shore wearing a bright yellow shirt even but give them what they like (juicy nightcrawler) and they will ignore me and take the worm. I will say though movement and vibration plays a bigger part in spooking the fish in this instance. Dont stomp or move fast keep movement to a minimum.

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I believe it matters, not always, but it can make a difference.  I have seen this happen in clear water using nanofill which is white, the fish saw the line not the lure and spooked.  I wasn't able to get bit until I hit deeper water that was being muddied up by the spooked fish.  In ultra clear water I think it matters or heavy pressured fish it matters but only with certain lures, jigs or shakey heads, lures that the fish get a good look at.  The idea of line diameter I am curious what people believe is happening from a fishes perspective, the fish "cant see" the line but dropping line diameter makes a difference why?  Smaller diameter means to me harder to see or is it less vibration, both maybe?  I believe It changes the action of the lure and the fall rate more than anything else.  To the people whom say the bass do not know what line is, you need to think like a bass, of course it doesn't know that its fishing line, but it does know its not a natural part of its environment and will back off.

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I believe it matters, not always, but it can make a difference.  I have seen this happen in clear water using nanofill which is white, the fish saw the line not the lure and spooked.  I wasn't able to get bit until I hit deeper water that was being muddied up by the spooked fish.  In ultra clear water I think it matters or heavy pressured fish it matters but only with certain lures, jigs or shakey heads, lures that the fish get a good look at.  The idea of line diameter I am curious what people believe is happening from a fishes perspective, the fish "cant see" the line but dropping line diameter makes a difference why?  Smaller diameter means to me harder to see or is it less vibration, both maybe?  I believe It changes the action of the lure and the fall rate more than anything else.  To the people whom say the bass do not know what line is, you need to think like a bass, of course it doesn't know that its fishing line, but it does know its not a natural part of its environment and will back off.

So by this logic, a lake that has a lot of pressure they can and should get conditioned to seeing the line and not be spooked.

 

As far as the line diameter goes i don't think it is as much about visibility as it is about the sound signature the line makes when in the water which is then picked up by their lateral line.

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