"spybaiting"

[pbrussell]

Have any of you tried this? 

 

Here is a link showing the technique and a few videos demonstrating it.

http://fishingsportshow.com/2013/duo-realis-spinbait-80/

 

I'd be interested to try it out..

[Jrob78]

I'm familiar with it but I've never tried it.  Rumor is several big pro tournaments have been won in the US over the past 5 years using that technique but they never let the cat out of the bag.  It sounds like a good technique to try, something the fish probably haven't ever seen.

[RockstarFM]

Looks interesting, I have a few of those lures that I've never tried, hard to use all the lakes around me are really weedy.

[Primus]

I thought it was interesting that he suggested to fish it on 4-5 lb floro and said 6lb was too heavy. 6 lb is as light as I have ever thrown !

[gripnrip]

I'm familiar with it but I've never tried it.  Rumor is several big pro tournaments have been won in the US over the past 5 years using that technique but they never let the cat out of the bag.  It sounds like a good technique to try, something the fish probably haven't ever seen.

Of course they don't.  The tips we get now work but have been used exclusively up until now.  They are very hush hush on a lot of their techniques.  I read that Ish will go to Japan in his off season and spend $1500 on gear you can't get over here.  All I hear him talk about are frogs and D-bombing. 

[roadwarrior]

I thought it was interesting that he suggested to fish it on 4-5 lb floro and said 6lb was too heavy. 6 lb is as light as I have ever thrown !

 

Try Yo-Zuri Hybrid #4, .009 diameter, 8.5 lb breaking strength.

I brlieve the line is MUCH stronger. The fish in my avatar were

caught on #4 Hybrid as well as this fish on the RoadTrip last year:

http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-videos/lake-guntersville-2012.html

[Primus]

Try Yo-Zuri Hybrid #4, .009 diameter, 8.5 lb breaking strength.

I brlieve the line is MUCH stronger. The fish in my avatar were

caught on #4 Hybrid as well as this fish on the RoadTrip last year:

http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-videos/lake-guntersville-2012.html

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

[bgraham91]

I thought it was interesting that he suggested to fish it on 4-5 lb floro and said 6lb was too heavy. 6 lb is as light as I have ever thrown !

I'm guess this guy is fishing in Japan. I've read a couple of articles that said Japans bass fishing pressure is like 10x the amount we have in America which forces them to fish with finesse type baits and very low pound test line which may be the reason why they suggested 4-6lb test.

[CPBassFishing]

I'm guess this guy is fishing in Japan. I've read a couple of articles that said Japans bass fishing pressure is like 10x the amount we have in America which forces them to fish with finesse type baits and very low pound test line which may be the reason why they suggested 4-6lb test.

exactly. Finesse fishing in japan is often 3lb test and 2-3" baits.

[Sam]

I thought it was interesting that he suggested to fish it on 4-5 lb floro and said 6lb was too heavy. 6 lb is as light as I have ever thrown !

 

Primus, the Japanese are famous for using light line.

 

They will go to 2-pound test for a drop shot.

 

I have some 2-pound and 4-pound test to use one day on a drop shot rig.

 

Right now I have one spinning rig with 4-pound test for a special presentation that I am trying to see how it works.

 

So to read that the technique calls for 4-pound test is understandable coming from the Asians.

[Primus]

Primus, the Japanese are famous for using light line.

 

They will go to 2-pound test for a drop shot.

 

I have some 2-pound and 4-pound test to use one day on a drop shot rig.

 

Right now I have one spinning rig with 4-pound test for a special presentation that I am trying to see how it works.

 

So to read that the technique calls for 4-pound test is understandable coming from the Asians.

 

I have heard that as well, that said it still blows my mind that they would fish a 3/8 oz hardbait with 4lb test.

[Loop_Dad]

So what exactly is the definition of spybaiting? Is that the slow rolling of bait bit off from the bottom? If so I do that with other baits like hollow berries.

[smalljaw67]

Most of those in the southern U.S. will not have a use for that technique because it is a clear water technique only. I look at it as a super finesse type of jerkbait approach but even jerkbaits have more vibration and sound so while it does require clear water it doesn't have to be crystal clear like this seems to require. If you saw the lures used for that in videos it is quickly realized why the clear water is essential to it, sort or reminds me of the "I-motion" thing Jackall brought over here that hasn't taken off as it too requires clear water the likes of which we don't often and when we do other techniques like suspending jerkbaits, work much better. In places like Minnesota, Vermont, Maine, and North Dakota it will be something to use but for a lot of us our waters are too stained, I'm betting the spy-baiting technique would be killer in the Great Lakes.

[deaknh03]

I had one of the Realis Spinbaits, the one in the video. It is such a small bait, it doesnt fit into what I like to throw. It's literally the size of 2 toothpicks in width.

[T Brinks]

This is a pretty fun technique, I just got to try it for the first time this weekend and caught a nice on on it. I did a video on my experiences and thoughts on it if you are interested.  

[WRB]

Fluorocarbon line is generally equal to premium mono or copolymer line in diameter and line diameter is what the fish see, they can't read labels.

The following are Sunline FC line diameters that I use for comparison to other brands.

2# = .0050

4#= .0065

6#= .0075

8#= .0093

10#=.0102

12#=..0112

14#=. 0122

16#= .0130

20#= .0148

When making comparisons to line strength verses advertised or label # test, compare apples to apples.

Line makers who label their line 4# test that have a diameter greater than 6# test is common practice today because they can claim the line is stronger and it should be because it is 6+# test labeled 4#.

Tom

[Primus]

This is a pretty fun technique, I just got to try it for the first time this weekend and caught a nice on on it. I did a video on my experiences and thoughts on it if you are interested.  

 

Sorry I didn't post sooner but I'm catching up a little. If I may ask what type of line along with rod/reel combo did you use and do you agree with the light (4 lb ) line recommendation  that the japanese fisherman apparantly use ?  Thanks

[T Brinks]

Sorry I didn't post sooner but I'm catching up a little. If I may ask what type of line along with rod/reel combo did you use and do you agree with the light (4 lb ) line recommendation  that the japanese fisherman apparantly use ?  Thanks

 

I was using a 15lb braid main line with 8lb Seaguar Tatsu leader. Like WRB said above, it all comes down to diameter. The 8lb Tatsu has a diameter of .009, while a few other leading brands 6lb test is larger at .010. Take a look at the diameters sometime, it's pretty shocking how different they are.  I use a 25ft-30ft fluoro leader to keep the braid from floating too high and impacting the bait's action. I'm planning on trying it with straight 6lb fluoro as well to see how it performs.

 

I found that a 7' ML is about perfect for this technique and you can cast it very, very far when you have a rod that light matched with braid. The bait itself is a little rocket, even in the wind. I use a Shimano Sustain reel but really any reel with a good drag will suffice. With that line and chance at big fish, the drag is crucial.

 

I'm still learning it and have only used it one trip, so I'm sure I will learn the intricacies more each time out.

[Primus]

Thanks for sharing your set-up info and lure observations, I've also have become a fan of braided line with floro leaders when fishing with spinning rods. 

[DRea]

 

A new video has been posted on the YouTube channel giving more insight into the technique, while catching some quality Biwa bass.

[SPEEDBEAD.]

So what exactly is the definition of spybaiting? Is that the slow rolling of bait bit off from the bottom? If so I do that with other baits like hollow berries.

 

LOL, might be a typo but given the origin of the technique being discussed this just hit me as entertaining.

[Dwight Hottle]

Here is another video filmed in japan at lake biwa.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19etY-i18E0&feature=youtu.be

[roadwarrior]

Well, I have fished the method for around 10 hours and have never had a bite.

Obviously, I don't have a clue.

[Loop_Dad]

LOL, might be a typo but given the origin of the technique being discussed this just hit me as entertaining.

 

It is not a typo. I meant this-> http://www.pecheur.com/en/gb/buy-lure-delalande-strawberry-shad-gt-13cm-pack-of-4-43701.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, you got me

[SPEEDBEAD.]

LMAO, I was just getting ready to type a response and include a "horrow berry" explanation.

 

Then I scrolled down. Nice.