Shad_Master Posted July 15, 2010 Posted July 15, 2010 Is it the jig, the skirt or the trailer? I know I will get a lot of responses that it takes all three, but how you rank them in importance for attacting the bite? Quote
florida strain Posted July 15, 2010 Posted July 15, 2010 Rank them in importance for attacting the bite? 1. Trailer 2. Skirt 3 Jighead Which one catches the fish? The hook Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted July 16, 2010 Super User Posted July 16, 2010 Skirt Without the skirt its just a sinker/hook Quote
Super User Bassin_Fin@tic Posted July 16, 2010 Super User Posted July 16, 2010 Jighead,trailer, and skirt... The weight and style of the head plays a big part in the overall action of the lure.The position of the line tie and shape of the head changes the action a lot too. Quote
Shad_Master Posted July 16, 2010 Author Posted July 16, 2010 Jighead,trailer, and skirt...The weight and style of the head plays a big part in the overall action of the lure.The position of the line tie and shape of the head changes the action a lot too. Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? I have heard this and have a general idea of what you are saying, but would appreciate more description of the differences. Thanks Quote
buzzcatcher Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 I'm going to say the trailer simply because I catch more fish when I texas rig a rage or chigger craw than when I put the same craw on a skirted jig. Buzz Quote
Super User Raul Posted July 16, 2010 Super User Posted July 16, 2010 trailer I don 't think so, I 've fished jigs a bunch of times without trailer and I still catch them. Quote
Shad_Master Posted July 16, 2010 Author Posted July 16, 2010 trailer I don 't think so, I 've fished jigs a bunch of times without trailer and I still catch them. So if it's not the trailer - is it the skirt or the jig? Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 16, 2010 Super User Posted July 16, 2010 Which one catches the fish? The Hook Which attracts the bass is the combination of all 3, it is called Rate of Fall. Quote
Super User Jigfishn10 Posted July 16, 2010 Super User Posted July 16, 2010 This one's a tough one. I've caught a bunch without a trailer including the one depicted as my forum pic. I've caught a bunch without skirts on either a single or twin tail grub, some sort of craw imitation and even a dressed jig with rabbit fur tails and chenille body (8th post from the top). http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1276262894/0 The only constant was the jig head, but I would prefer to have all 3 working for me. So I guess I really don't have an opinion. Quote
tyrius. Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 SkirtWithout the skirt its just a sinker/hook Nope. With a jig and trailer it's a shakeyhead then. A craw on a shakey head catches tons. Catt said rate of fall and when flipping that's the most important thing. The problem is that all three things combine to determine rate of fall. The amount of skirt, jig weight, trailer size/body all play a key role in the rate of fall so it's difficult to determine what would be the most important. I also like to drag jigs on rock bottoms. Here jig head type (for snag purposes) is important but not in attracting the bite. And it's really impossible to tell if the skirt or the trailer is more important. I've had days where I wasn't getting a whiff on a regular jig with a rage craw trailer, but tied on the same color jig with the same trailer in a finesse jig and started catching quality fish. Also, had days where changing the trailer (bigger/smaller profile or high/low action) is all that mattered. Quote
Super User Raul Posted July 16, 2010 Super User Posted July 16, 2010 trailer I don 't think so, I 've fished jigs a bunch of times without trailer and I still catch them. So if it's not the trailer - is it the skirt or the jig? Gotta be the skirt, cuz if I just drop a plain jighead I ain 't gonna get a lot of bites. What I 've found in my stay as BR member is this, people generalize a lot, also maybe it 's because I 'm old I 've seen lack of knowledge in many members which coincidentaly tend to generalize, when you say jig I don 't know why is it that you say jig aned apparently everybody makes this mental image of a rubber/silicone skirt jig :-/, man, jig skirts are not only made of rubber/silicone, they are made also with feathers ( marabou is my favorite ), hair, tinsel, alone or in combination. Can you catch fish with a jig without trailer ? ---> aboslutely yes Can you catch a fish with a plain jighead and a trailer ? ---> absolutely yes Can you catch fish with a jig and trailer ? ---> absolutely yes Can you catch fish with a plain jighead ? ---> I serously doubt it So which one catches the fish ? the trailer and the skirt alone or in combination. Quote
KC Bass Fanatic Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 The skirt definitely attracts bass the most visually. The trailer seals the deal once their attention is on it. The jig head can make a difference if they are hitting it on the fall (speed) or if they want it really banging rocks. That's a long answer to say the skirt is most important IMO. Quote
Jake. Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 The trailer. The skirt isn't very important IMO. Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 17, 2010 Super User Posted July 17, 2010 The trailer. The skirt isn't very important IMO. I have been known to catch a few on big craw worm & a plain unpainted jig head. Excellent in grass Quote
fretfishman Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 trailer I don 't think so, I 've fished jigs a bunch of times without trailer and I still catch them. So if it's not the trailer - is it the skirt or the jig? Gotta be the skirt, cuz if I just drop a plain jighead I ain 't gonna get a lot of bites. What I 've found in my stay as BR member is this, people generalize a lot, also maybe it 's because I 'm old I 've seen lack of knowledge in many members which coincidentaly tend to generalize, when you say jig I don 't know why is it that you say jig aned apparently everybody makes this mental image of a rubber/silicone skirt jig :-/, man, jig skirts are not only made of rubber/silicone, they are made also with feathers ( marabou is my favorite ), hair, tinsel, alone or in combination. Can you catch fish with a jig without trailer ? ---> aboslutely yes Can you catch a fish with a plain jighead and a trailer ? ---> absolutely yes Can you catch fish with a jig and trailer ? ---> absolutely yes Can you catch fish with a plain jighead ? ---> I serously doubt it So which one catches the fish ? the trailer and the skirt alone or in combination. Lol @ a guy catching a bass on a plain jighead....youtube it. Of course, he used berkley gulp alive on it and it was probably an extremely "active" bass time or a severe reaction strike, but still...pretty hilarious. Quote
Blue Streak Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Which one catches the fish? The Hook Which attracts the bass is the combination of all 3, it is called Rate of Fall. That is only important sometimes, other times it is the way the bait is presented on the bottom. Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 17, 2010 Super User Posted July 17, 2010 Which one catches the fish? The Hook Which attracts the bass is the combination of all 3, it is called Rate of Fall. That is only important sometimes, other times it is the way the bait is presented on the bottom. What had made flippin/pitchin/punchin so deadly for so many years on so many bodies of water? The fact that a high percentage of bites come on the initial fall! What triggers that strike on the initial fall? Rate of Fall! Quote
Blue Streak Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Which one catches the fish? The Hook Which attracts the bass is the combination of all 3, it is called Rate of Fall. That is only important sometimes, other times it is the way the bait is presented on the bottom. What had made flippin/pitchin/punchin so deadly for so many years on so many bodies of water? The fact that a high percentage of bites come on the initial fall! What triggers that strike on the initial fall? Rate of Fall! As I said, it is only important sometimes. If the bass are hitting on the fall it is very important. If not it does not matter at all. Some days with flipping, pitching, or punching the bait is bit on the bottom and not on the fall. Quote
ib_of_the_damned Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 You are all wrong! In my vast knowledge of a little over one year of bass fishing, Im a seasoned pro at jig fishing. Everyone with half a brain knows that the line tie on the jig is what attracts the fish! But seriously... I feel that it is the combination of the skirt and trailer as a unit that really catches the attention of bass. Just my opinion... Quote
Super User Catt Posted July 18, 2010 Super User Posted July 18, 2010 Which one catches the fish? The Hook Which attracts the bass is the combination of all 3, it is called Rate of Fall. That is only important sometimes, other times it is the way the bait is presented on the bottom. What had made flippin/pitchin/punchin so deadly for so many years on so many bodies of water? The fact that a high percentage of bites come on the initial fall! What triggers that strike on the initial fall? Rate of Fall! As I said, it is only important sometimes. If the bass are hitting on the fall it is very important. If not it does not matter at all. Some days with flipping, pitching, or punching the bait is bit on the bottom and not on the fall. With bottom lures the time frame from the moment the lure touches the surface of the water until to the moment the lure comes to rest on the bottom is the initial fall. There is no defined time frame after the lure contacts the bottom where one can say it is no longer the initial fall. It can be said how ever once the lure is moved in any fashion the initial fall is over. The highest percentage of bites will occur during this time frame and at any moment during this time frame. Rate of Fall is the length of time from the moment the lure touches the surface of the water until to the moment the lure comes to rest on the bottom. The speed at which this occurs will be detrimental to your success or failure Quote
Super User fourbizz Posted July 18, 2010 Super User Posted July 18, 2010 I would say that somewhere around oh, 1 in 200 of my jig bites comes on the "initial fall". Of course I almost only fish football heads on deep structure, with little to no cover. But, given the steepness of some of what I fish. I take rate of fall into account much of the time. How fast the jig falls off of a deep ledge, or even after popping it up off the bottom with the rod can be critical. Sometimes, how fast the jig SLIDES down large rocks can be the difference. My all time favorite jig bite is a 1oz football head in 5-20ft in the darkness. Pop it hard off the bottom a couple feet, they eat it on the fall, on a tightline. Lots of fun. For my money, I think the hook is most important, and not for the sarcastic reason others have said. I will compromise on any of the other three elements, as long as I have the hook I like. I will not tolerate a bad jig hook. Quote
Blue Streak Posted July 18, 2010 Posted July 18, 2010 Which one catches the fish? The Hook Which attracts the bass is the combination of all 3, it is called Rate of Fall. That is only important sometimes, other times it is the way the bait is presented on the bottom. What had made flippin/pitchin/punchin so deadly for so many years on so many bodies of water? The fact that a high percentage of bites come on the initial fall! What triggers that strike on the initial fall? Rate of Fall! As I said, it is only important sometimes. If the bass are hitting on the fall it is very important. If not it does not matter at all. Some days with flipping, pitching, or punching the bait is bit on the bottom and not on the fall. With bottom lures the time frame from the moment the lure touches the surface of the water until to the moment the lure comes to rest on the bottom is the initial fall. There is no defined time frame after the lure contacts the bottom where one can say it is no longer the initial fall. It can be said how ever once the lure is moved in any fashion the initial fall is over. The highest percentage of bites will occur during this time frame and at any moment during this time frame. Rate of Fall is the length of time from the moment the lure touches the surface of the water until to the moment the lure comes to rest on the bottom. The speed at which this occurs will be detrimental to your success or failure That is very good Catt, reminds me of something the US goverment would write. Actually I think Snoopy's law applies here. : Quote
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