Flourocarbon Line At Night

[katmandew]

Fishing gin clear water where Fluoro is noticeably getting more bites in daytime regardless if angler is in front or back of the boat. My question is not if fluro out fishes copoly or mono, but if it makes a difference at night? The past 2 nights in our boat, if u didn't fish Fluoro, you didn't get bit. Fluoro 8 fish - pline CX prem (with fluro coating) zero fish Even tho the CX had the coating, it didn't get bit until a Fluoro leader was tied on. Both setups used the same soft plastic bait in the same weed beds the whole time.

Is fluro really making that much difference at night?

[Bluebasser86]

Could possibly be the rate of fall on your bait being slightly faster since fluoro sinks. 

[21farms]

fluoro's higher density allows it to sink instead of float. in addition to the faster rate of fall that bluebasser86 pointed out, that results in less bowing of the line with fluoro...the more direct connection to your bait gives you greater sensitivity. fluoro's added density also transmits vibrations better. i remember reading an interesting study decades ago wherein a scuba diver was watching lures being worked underwater. the diver reported seeing many more pickups from bass than the anglers felt. you may very well have been getting bit on mono without even knowing it.

[dodgeguy]

flouro has nothing to do with it.it's whose bait gets in front of a biting fish and has the right action.

[katmandew]

The thing is we were fishing thick weeds with tx rigged soft plastics and of the bites we had, they all came just after we had pulled the bait free of the weed. Just as it was falling. Maybe rate of fall was the reason, maybe line bowing...but I'm curious if anyone knows if it could be that they can see the copoly at night where maybe the Fluoro, not so much?

[katmandew]

flouro has nothing to do with it.it's whose bait gets in front of a biting fish and has the right action.

. I used to think the same thing, but when you get blanked by your partner an he gets 5 bites on the Fluoro, it has to mean something. Situation was reversed in spring....I was using Fluoro with small swim baits and out fished him 8-2. He used copoly with smaller diameter line and the same small swim baits I was using. Maybe it depends on the day and how aggressive they are as well. In daylight I'm a believer in Fluoro now...just not sure how well they can see line in the dark.

[WRB]

The only downside with FC at night is knot strength, being able to tie a great knot at night isn't easy!

Bass tend to be hotter fighters at night, especially around the boat on a short string where knot failures get amplified. For that reason I rarely will use FC at night and haven't had your experiences with getting bite on mono at night.

When I do use FC at night I go up 25% in line strength.

Tom

[Wayne P.]

The only downside with FC at night is knot strength, being able to tie a great knot at night isn't easy!

Bass tend to be hotter fighters at night, especially around the boat on a short string where knot failures get amplified. For that reason I rarely will use FC at night and haven't had your experiences with getting bite on mono at night.

When I do use FC at night I go up 25% in line strength.

Tom

Sounds like you need to learn how to tie some other knot.

I use the Uni-knot and can tie it perfectly in the daytime, at night and with my eyes closed.

[bigbill]

Since Cajun red line disappears in the water too is it as good as fluro?

 

I do use Cajun red line on my carolina rig setup.

 

I'm a little slow with changing to the hottest trends.

[skeletor6]

fluoro's higher density allows it to sink instead of float. in addition to the faster rate of fall that bluebasser86 pointed out, that results in less bowing of the line with fluoro...the more direct connection to your bait gives you greater sensitivity. fluoro's added density also transmits vibrations better. i remember reading an interesting study decades ago wherein a scuba diver was watching lures being worked underwater. the diver reported seeing many more pickups from bass than the anglers felt. you may very well have been getting bit on mono without even knowing it.

 

Excellent Post. Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

People do not understand the positive effects of using a dense line. In lieu of the direct connection statement is because of this density and the less belly from wind, current, and because it does not stand on top of the water. Copoly lines are not as dense as straight FC, hence, do not act in similar nature.

 

In regards to the visibility, the analogous refractive properties to water play a large role in its performance in any type of water under any visibility conditions. Sure, it is less of an advantage at night or in murky water, but it still is an advantage. Good Question OP  

[skeletor6]

Since Cajun red line disappears in the water too is it as good as fluro?

 

I do use Cajun red line on my carolina rig setup.

 

I'm a little slow with changing to the hottest trends.

 

Not true, visible wavelengths of infrared radiation diminish as it penetrates in the water. Water clarity also plays a role in how far light will penetrate. Any color line will eventually turn black at a certain depth. Red just so happens to be the color that turns dark sooner. An opaque black line is far from being invisible.

[WRB]

Sounds like you need to learn how to tie some other knot.

I use the Uni-knot and can tie it perfectly in the daytime, at night and with my eyes closed.

I consider myself to good at knot tying, the Uni knot is at best a 80% knot strength with FC line, Tackle Tour could only achieve 75% knot strength with any brand of FC with the Uni knot. The strongest FC knot is a double SD jam not..FYI.

Tom

[Wayne P.]

I consider myself to good at knot tying, the Uni knot is at best a 80% knot strength with FC line, Tackle Tour could only achieve 75% knot strength with any brand of FC with the Uni knot. The strongest FC knot is a double SD jam not..FYI.

Tom

 

Thanks, I knew that the double line knots test the strongest, but the tests I have seen performed, either a knot slipped or the line broke. I have never seen any actual knot break.

 

I also know that any knot I tie will not break, the line breaks maybe close to the knot or somewhere not so close.

 

I couldn't tie a good double line knot at night, but then again I would't need to.

[WRB]

Thanks, I knew that the double line knots test the strongest, but the tests I have seen performed, either a knot slipped or the line broke. I have never seen any actual knot break.

I also know that any knot I tie will not break, the line breaks maybe close to the knot or somewhere not so close.

I couldn't tie a good double line knot at night, but then again I would't need to.

Wayne,

I appreciate everyone's perspective regarding this topic. FC Line is still in development and new formulas are evolving. My first experience came by way od Aaron Martens back in the early 90's when he told me about Sunlime. I tied Sunline Shooter via GS Trout and really liked the line, until my I 1st. night tourneyment when I broke off 3 DD bass in an hour, due to knot failures and didn't understand the FC knot issue.

Being a R & D director of an major aerospace firm I do have acess to testing equipment and I did test every FC line and known knot as a result of breaking off big bass during a tournament. As a result a of my own testing and over 15 years experienceI have a good idea of what FC lime can do and can't do.

Tom

[kickerfish1]

Nice posts in here skeletor! Sounds like someone made it through a few science classes.

[katmandew]

Excellent Post. Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

People do not understand the positive effects of using a dense line. In lieu of the direct connection statement is because of this density and the less belly from wind, current, and because it does not stand on top of the water. Copoly lines are not as dense as straight FC, hence, do not act in similar nature.

 

In regards to the visibility, the analogous refractive properties to water play a large role in its performance in any type of water under any visibility conditions. Sure, it is less of an advantage at night or in murky water, but it still is an advantage. Good Question OP

Great info. Thanks for all the replies. So basically it seems visibility is still a slight advantage, but maybe how it lays in the water and the added sensitivity is why we were getting bit more at night with FC. Does anyone use straight braid at night or would it be better to use a FC leader with it? My copoly to FC Albright knot broke off once on a hook set. I'm guessing that's because the copoly doesn't make as strong of a leader knot as braid?