Braid & Loops

[gramps50]

I put some braid on my spinning reel. I used a mono backer then put the #10 Sufix 832 braid on then a 16' Fluorocarbon leader. I have this on a 6'6" Med/Fast rod. For the most part it fishes very well and is really sensitive. The issue I keep having is that I get loops and by this I mean that instead of the line coming off as it should it is coming off in 2 different places. This creates the loop and it is sort of like a backlash on a baitcaster but instead of being on the spool it's just the line itself.

 

If I'm careful I can get it squared away by keeping it separated and pulling it off the spool until only one strand is coming off. This is okay as long as the loop(s) don't get knotted up.

 

Never had this issue with mono or Fluorocarbon or any of the copolys. What am I missing here? 

 

I cast then close the bail by hand. It's such a pain that I'm about ready to go back to mono or copoly.

 

Thanks

[Kevin22]

Sounds like wind knots. It happens to supple braid when on a spinning reel. The wind will blow your line loose as it is being put on the spool and then the next turn of the reel puts a tight wind around a loose wind. This causes a loop which turns into a crossover (loop crosses over the line and creates what looks like a backlash). 

 

Spray your spool down with some line conditioner, it should help a little. 

 

If you are fishing on calm days, then I would say its your reel or technique. Sounds like the technique is right so could be the reel. 

[SirSnookalot]

I'm having trouble visualizing the line coming off the spool in 2 different places, unless you mean a "loop" coming of from the middle of your spool, that has happened to me.  When that happens are you stripping the line out by hand until you get to the loop or tangle?  Some times the line comes out clean, other times it's a bad tangle or knot, I've cut my share of line.  The majority of wind knots are caused by twist in the braid then hitting the first guide at too fast a speed, slow the cast speed and don't over fill the spool.  The only way to avert the loop from the middle of the spool is to make sure that the line is taut before you start you're retrieve.  

[gramps50]

Should have mentioned that I use KVD L&L before each outing and when respooling, Wasn't really windy, maybe a light breeze. The reel is a Pflugar President 30.

 

The above comments got me thinking, the rod is rated for 1/4 - 5/8 oz lures. The one I am throwing may be just a little lighter than the 1/4 oz it's a 3/32 with a half a 7" Zman Feniese worm on it (aka Ned's rig). 

 

I have the same setup on a 7' Med/Fast St Croix rod with a Lews 300 reel, but the braid is #30 Tufline or something like that. It's doesn't cast well at all using the same jig.

 

Guess I need to pay more attention to when and how this is happening.

 

Thanks 

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

I'm having trouble visualizing the line coming off the spool in 2 different places, unless you mean a "loop" coming of from the middle of your spool, that has happened to me.  When that happens are you stripping the line out by hand until you get to the loop or tangle?  Some times the line comes out clean, other times it's a bad tangle or knot, I've cut my share of line.  The majority of wind knots are caused by twist in the braid then hitting the first guide at too fast a speed, slow the cast speed and don't over fill the spool.  The only way to avert the loop from the middle of the spool is to make sure that the line is taut before you start you're retrieve.  

 

I have a 20 size president and tried nudging the spool a bit too full with 8# braid so the spool lip wasnt really in use. What would happen is the line coming off would grap the underlying line and pull it off and it comes of in a tangle. I took some line off so the spool lip a little more exposed. The line catching went away and thus no tangles.

[gramps50]

Not sure what happened tonight, was casting fine and retreiving with no issues. Got a bit and the fish started to run so I sweep back the rod a little to put some tension on it and the line broke. From the looks of it this happened just past the spool. I didn't think there were any issues when I got it untangled this morning but who knows.

 

So now there won't be as much line on the spool so we'll see if I had to much line on the spool, it was pretty close to the edge on the bottom of the spool, the top was fine.

[SirSnookalot]

I got a tip yesterday, I haven't tried it yet, from the greatest fisherman I ever met in my life.  He's a home grown 60 year old Florida native commercial fisherman, I've yet to meet anyone that catches more and bigger fish.  He told me when he gets those loops coming out instead of opening the bail and pulling the line out, he pulls the line out using the drag and he says it always untangles perfectly for him, he uses nothing but spinning gear.  Even though he's saltwater commercial he invited me out for some bass fishing with him, he's been doing that since before he could walk, I'm excited about it.

 

 

 

 

So now there won't be as much line on the spool so we'll see if I had to much line on the spool, it was pretty close to the edge on the bottom of the spool, the top was fine.

I make a point of never over spooling, how much line do I really need for the majority of fish I catch.

I'm not too fussy about much but how line stacks on a reel is important to me, I don't want it lopsided in anyway.

[Gaerith]

I got a tip yesterday, I haven't tried it yet, from the greatest fisherman I ever met in my life.  He's a home grown 60 year old Florida native commercial fisherman, I've yet to meet anyone that catches more and bigger fish.  He told me when he gets those loops coming out instead of opening the bail and pulling the line out, he pulls the line out using the drag and he says it always untangles perfectly for him, he uses nothing but spinning gear.  Even though he's saltwater commercial he invited me out for some bass fishing with him, he's been doing that since before he could walk, I'm excited about it.

 

 

That's really interesting.  I always open the bail to untangle...if you get a chance could you ask him why pulling the line out through the closed bail works better?  I'll have to try it next time I go fishing.

 

Have fun fishing with him, sounds like a great opportunity.

[SirSnookalot]

It may be only a mono thing, he doesn't fish braid.

[gramps50]

Interesting theory, sounds like it would make it worse, but so does pressing hard with your thumb and cranking a baitcaster to clear a birdsnest. I'll have to give it a try too, thanks for thetip.

 

Sound like an interesting guy to fish with and absorb so of his knowledge. Have fun!!

[Kevin22]

I got a tip yesterday, I haven't tried it yet, from the greatest fisherman I ever met in my life.  He's a home grown 60 year old Florida native commercial fisherman, I've yet to meet anyone that catches more and bigger fish.  He told me when he gets those loops coming out instead of opening the bail and pulling the line out, he pulls the line out using the drag and he says it always untangles perfectly for him, he uses nothing but spinning gear.  Even though he's saltwater commercial he invited me out for some bass fishing with him, he's been doing that since before he could walk, I'm excited about it.

 

 

Been doing that for years. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. Works most of the time though. Be sure to pull from the tip of your rod and not down by the reel or you will have a big mess by the time you get past the loop. Loosen the drag first. 

[hike4steel]

IMO you either have your reel too full or the line has twists.  Line twist are what makes mine line jump off the spool.  Are you sure you put the line on the spinning reel correctly?  If applied in the wrong direction it will twist the whole spool.  Also, make sure your not reeling against the drag!  reeling against the drag on a spinning reel will put many twist in any line.

[gramps50]

I took some line off the spool and have fished it 2 nights now and haven't had any more problems. So it appears that I had to much line on the spool.

 

Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions

[jtharris3]

I got a tip yesterday, I haven't tried it yet, from the greatest fisherman I ever met in my life.  He's a home grown 60 year old Florida native commercial fisherman, I've yet to meet anyone that catches more and bigger fish.  He told me when he gets those loops coming out instead of opening the bail and pulling the line out, he pulls the line out using the drag and he says it always untangles perfectly for him, he uses nothing but spinning gear.  Even though he's saltwater commercial he invited me out for some bass fishing with him, he's been doing that since before he could walk, I'm excited about it.

 

That's a good tip. It works!