Lifting Update.

[Goose21]

My apologies I went back and read your initial thread detailing your bulk and the supps u are using. I was off on my guess.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

That was a typo. Its supposed to read 12 percent. I didn't even notice that.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Great work, gym rat here as well. Not near what I was before family/a one year old happened, but I'm at it 5-6 days a week.

245 @ 8% bf how tall are you?

And I'm pretty sure I know what supplement realm you speak of (or maybe I dont). Its great when used responsibly and the gains are amazing.

See a lot of you talking about the no supplements, some are great but I've found something that blows them all away when it comes to a skin splitting pump. If anyone is interested pm me.

Anyway keep at it! And 2% your boy is pulling your chain!

6ft 2in

[Raider Nation Fisher]

How are you checking body fat? At 8% there is not much more getting everything right. Lol

That's shredded and abs showin without flexing. Good work post pics of your friend also if he is still alive at 2% body fat. Pro body builders do not get that low and when they get to their lowest point they don't stay there long as it is very unhealthy and stressful on body

Then I'm measuring something wrong. My abs are visible without flexing but not chiseled by any means. They aren't bulked out defined. I've been using a body fat calculator online. They charge for the caliper body mass test at my gym. I've been getting it for free once a year when I re up my contract. Bahhh I don't care if I'm wrong on it. I still look beastly.

By getting everything right I mean during and post work out. Basically when every vein is popped out and my muscles are swole.

[Goose21]

Impressive Raider! Keep at it.

[fishinfiend]

if you have side of abs outline (distinct separation from obliques) unflexed but not center cut down center or across (6 pack) that is probably around 12-14%.

 

Use calipers, underwater, bodpod, or dexa scan. Those online calculators suck as well as scales and hand held devices. I have seen all these checked in a clinical setting. The scan and underwater will be most accurate.

 

For all that read this and lift. PLEASE STOP WASTING MONEY ON SUPPS. You are seriously throwing money in the trash for VERY little to marginal benefit. I might take whey if I'm short on protein for the day that's it.

 

As for prework stuff that makes you an animal. Just take a no doz or too. I have gone from 351 to 175 taking nothing.

 

Good luck to all that lift and are working to improve fitness.

[Goose21]

I'm with you on supps. Save your money and buy good whole foods.

There was a time not long ago when I couldn't imagine working out without a preworkout stimulant packed drink but I no longer use them. Down to Whey on occasion, vitamins, and fish/flax oils. Trying to think long term health anymore.

Dont want to jack the thread but I can't tell you how many people I see in the gym that spend so much time/effort/$ on training and supplements but are clueless how big of a role diet plays in the health/fitness world.

Delfi that body fat deal is easy to misscalculate but it sounds like you're leaning out which is your goal anyway.

[fishinfiend]

Dont want to jack the thread but I can't tell you how many people I see in the gym that spend so much time/effort/$ on training and supplements but are clueless how big of a role diet plays in the health/fitness world.

 

 I laugh at this all the time especially people sipping pre and intra workout drinks. To each their own its not my money. 

 

Don't even get me started on fat burners. hahahaha!!!!!

[fishking247]

lets see some pics. i have been following your 'lift" threads and have yet to see pics

[Goose21]

I laugh at this all the time especially people sipping pre and intra workout drinks. To each their own its not my money. 

 

Don't even get me started on fat burners. hahahaha!!!!!

Oh brother thats the worst.

Have a family member that's always searching for the latest greatest fat burner pill. So good you can eat whatever you want and never have to exercise. Yet she can't figure out why she's overweight and hypertensive.

Ok I'm done sorry OP.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Best I can do by myself. At least for now. I'm gonna get some more posted up.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

My front tricep looks funky in that one.

[aceman387]

I give you credit raider nation fisher because it takes a lot of time and energy and sacrifice to get big and strong let alone the mental anguish of battling cravings to drop body fat.I have always been in to strength training my whole life and now that i am older (53) i do it just to maintain what i have. Most people that are my age complain about the aches and pains but they don't realize its not because of their age it is because they are out of shape. Sorry for the rant and straying off the topic. You look good,keep it up.Its one thing to get big but not many people have the mental strength to be big and ripped.I applaud your efforts.

[fishinfiend]

You got a little ways to go before you are under 10% but keep up the good work.

 

 

What kind of split you do? I just hit chest and traps. Feeling massive and time to hit beach. lol!

[Raider Nation Fisher]

You got a little ways to go before you are under 10% but keep up the good work.

 

 

What kind of split you do? I just hit chest and traps. Feeling massive and time to hit beach. lol!

Before I jacked my hammy up. I was doing Monday, Wednesday, Friday: Back in and shoulders in the AM. Arms and chest in the PM. Tuesday and Thursday, Legs in the AM and then Plyometrics in the PM. On Saturday I would do just legs in the PM. Now I'm doing upper back and chest Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday in the PM. Monday, Wednesday, Friday I'm doing arms in the PM. My whole schedule got screwed up by my d**n leg. I've dropped back on the supplements and on the calorie intake. I do hamstring stretches everyday and stretch my lower back everyday. Once it gets back to normal I will go back to my previous before injury workout for about 6 weeks, and cut out most all the supplements other than my whey protein and Arganine. My progress hit a dang brick wall.

[Goose21]

As much as you're in the gym you would see even better gains IMO if you trained each body part once, maybe twice a week and icreased the volume/intensity each session on a specific area, like back. I'm speaking strictly for bodybuilding purposes.

You're muscles need time to repair and grow, especially if you're in the gym 3 hours a day 6 days a week lifting.

Not trying to tell you how to do things just offering a suggestion.

[fishinfiend]

IMO if you trained each body part once, maybe twice a week and icreased the volume/intensity each session on a specific area, like back. I'm speaking strictly for bodybuilding purposes.

You're muscles need time to repair and grow, especially if you're in the gym 3 hours a day 6 days a week lifting.

 

  this times 10

 

Its stupid to be in gym that long unless you are looking at cardio bunnies and running your mouth.  45 minutes to an hour is plenty

[Raider Nation Fisher]

As much as you're in the gym you would see even better gains IMO if you trained each body part once, maybe twice a week and icreased the volume/intensity each session on a specific area, like back. I'm speaking strictly for bodybuilding purposes.

You're muscles need time to repair and grow, especially if you're in the gym 3 hours a day 6 days a week lifting.

Not trying to tell you how to do things just offering a suggestion.

Appreciated. Im gonna try that. Aside from isolating muscle groups. What else you got. I've read about it but never tried it. With the exception of when I was juicing I've always strength trained. All hell I was still strength training when I was juicing. I've never tried isolation on muscle groups like that before.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

this times 10

 

Its stupid to be in gym that long unless you are looking at cardio bunnies and running your mouth.  45 minutes to an hour is plenty

I like cardio bunnies! And they like me!

What advice you got on isolating and breaking down the workouts into specific muscle groups? I've always done power and strength lifting. I've never really tried sculpting or isolating.

[fishinfiend]

back and abs

chest and tris

off or cario/walk on beach

shoulders/traps

biceps/legs/abs

rest

repeat

 

 

8x3 when cutting or maintaining

5x5 on big muscles when bulking

 

currently im maintaining. I love being shredded for the summertime. lol!!

 

<---- not that fat anymore. Don't let pic deceive you. lol!!!

 

p.s. I love cardio bunnies also....love em!!!

[A-Jay]

Not trying to Hijack your thread Raider but . . . .

 

My stance on supplements is quite the opposite.

 

I'm a believer, especially now that I'm on the back side of the longevity slope (in my 50's).

 

As a younger man I'll admit I had a bit more drive, but like the majority of human beings there is an evitable reduction is most every aspect of ones abilities as we age.  Supplements for me though not a magic cure,   do provide a noticeable boost in performance.   When taken correctly and in moderation, they certainly do not hurt ones performance or health.

 

 While recovering from a second abdominal surgery, I decide to get a little lean. I don't know what my body comp was but it was challenging getting there and even harder to stay there. 

 

A-Jay

 

 

[craww]

I see what you mean AJ. And your demographic could definitely benefit from certain supplements as we age.

 

However I think Fiend is dead on with most supps being a complete waste of money when it comes to the majority of us. I am training with a friend who spends money on everything that comes down the pike..."test boosters", lots of different pre-workouts, N.O. crap, etc. and hasn't made any real visible progress. The FDA makes sure anything that honestly works gets removed from the market. The juice ain't worth the squeeze in terms of long term "keepable gains". There's alot of gimmicks out there that may give you a pump or make you hold water, but at the end of the day it doesn't put anymore true muscle on you.

 

Train hard and break down those muscles, adapt your routine as the body adjusts to various weights and exercises, repair by getting adequate rest, and get all your nutrients through whole foods (Im a big advocate of protein supps for the convenience/cost factor however). You will get gains you actually keep. Alot of studies are showing that incorporating cardio actually can benefit you even when bulking. You can actually increase your bodies amount of blood, helping with nutrient delivery and the oxidation process.

[A-Jay]

I see what you mean AJ. And your demographic could definitely benefit from certain supplements as we age.

 

However I think Fiend is dead on with most supps being a complete waste of money when it comes to the majority of us. I am training with a friend who spends money on everything that comes down the pike..."test boosters", lots of different pre-workouts, N.O. crap, etc. and hasn't made any real visible progress. The FDA makes sure anything that honestly works gets removed from the market. The juice ain't worth the squeeze in terms of long term "keepable gains". There's alot of gimmicks out there that may give you a pump or make you hold water, but at the end of the day it doesn't put anymore true muscle on you.

 

Train hard and break down those muscles, adapt your routine as the body adjusts to various weights and exercises, repair by getting adequate rest, and get all your nutrients through whole foods (Im a big advocate of protein supps for the convenience/cost factor however). You will get gains you actually keep. Alot of studies are showing that incorporating cardio actually can benefit you even when bulking. You can actually increase your bodies amount of blood, helping with nutrient delivery and the oxidation process.

 

 

A complete waste of money ?  Have you tried them all ? 

The FDA can't possibly know what does and doesn't work for each and every individual. 

That's where free choice comes into play.

 

I would agree that regardless of whether or on an individual chooses to supplement their nutritional intake, there is no replacement for consistent, safe and thoughtfully planned training.   I am not including "the Juice" as you called it nor are the recently banned Pro-hormones a part of this discussion.

 

As for "Keeping one's gains",  I will tell you that it has been my Lifestyle that has contributed to maintaining a strong and balance status.  You must feed the engine with quality fuel.

There is a lot that goes into it and sensible supplementation plays a very beneficial role.

There is some trial and error and each body responds differently.

 Does your friend's lack of results support a blanket statement dispelling All Nutritional Supplements as useless ?   My contention, based on my own experiences, will always be no.

 

 

A-Jay

[craww]

I never said ALL, did I??? Bottom line the supplement industry is full of scams and snake oil, specifically bodybuilding supplements. Is EVERYTHING at vitamin shoppe worthless? Of course not, but alot of it is. Then you have the companies that have actually put steroids in their products, and people have failed drug tests as a result. Its frustrating seeing people mislead by the claims the companies make...flip through a flex mag, you'll see before and after pics of ifbb pros in the offseason and 2 weeks out from a contest. The ad says its the muscletech powder. Science says its the HGH, clenbutural, and insulin....its just a really shady industry that preys on the naive.

The human body filters out a great deal of what you orally ingest anyway....And I was using "juice ain't worth the squeeze" as an expession referring to diminishing to little return on an investment, not an actual anabolic substance, thought I can see where it may have sounded that way lol.

The FDA actually is actually pretty on point these days. Prior to getting back into it early this year, I trained pretty aggressively for a couple years in my early 20's. back then I used ephedra and Andro, which DID work quite well. They, along with a few other legit things are no longer sold. They test pretty much every style of en vogue supp, and if anything actually dramatically works it gets pulled. Pharmaceutical lobbies probably have a lot to do with it.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

I never said ALL, did I??? Bottom line the supplement industry is full of scams and snake oil, specifically bodybuilding supplements. Is EVERYTHING at vitamin shoppe worthless? Of course not, but its frustrating seeing people mislead by the claims the companies make...flip through a flex mag, you'll see before and after pics of ifbb pros in the offseason and 2 weeks out from a contest. The ad says its the muscletech powder. Science says its the HGH, clenbutural, and insulin. The human body filters out a great deal of what you orally ingest anyway....And I was using "juice ain't worth the squeeze" as an expession referring to diminishing to little return on an investment, not an actual anabolic substance.

That's where the human body trials come into play. Different substances have different effects on different people. IE tribulus works great for my brother. However does not do near as good for me as D Aspartic Acid. Its all trial and error. Has the D Aspartic Acid raised my test level? Yes. I have the hormone test results from back in November to March. When I stopped taking it. So its all a matter of dosing and finding what works for you.

I'm not recommending anyone use them. However. Personally I prefer Anabolics. I haven't banged any since my son was born 5 years ago. They work better and give better results then anything else. If done right, you will not lose your gains when you stop taking them and let your hormones return to normal. The gains will leave if you don't work out or do any kind of maintenance lifting. However muscle will do the same thing even without using anabolics.

You can't believe the hype in the body building mags. They are there strictly to sell their products. That is it. Which is the exact point you made. So I'm gonna agree with you 100 percent on that. Yes the pictures in the ads are ridiculous too.