Made In The Usa

[MCS]

Good post snook I agree 100% with the CEO salaries.

I would like to point out there is a recent trend of companies rethinking and bringing call centers and manufacturing facilities back here due to 2 main things, quality control and cost. QC has been difficult to establish recently and taking significant time and money. Also these countries are waking up and workers are requiring more wage and better conditions, governments are requiring a bigger slice of the pie.

Did you know in the republic of china a factory is owned by the government. So china gives permission to said company to build a factory, company pays $$$ and builds it. Then after a number of years the chineese government can basically come in and give them notice they are taking the facility over, the said company has to get their equip and relocate as far as it was explained to me. We just did a proposal over there were this occurred, however their new facility is still located in china due to the product produced is directly tied to Asia.

I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more stuff made here in the states or at least different places overseas than we are used to seeing.

[BobP]

When I spend $ for fishing equipment, I buy the best quality stuff I can afford and I don't care who built it.  American company wanting to compete?  Great!  Build the best, better than Brand X assembled with components from country Y in country Z, incorporated in country Q, and I'll be first in line.  All the talk about what constitutes "built in the USA" is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin - pretty much useless IMO.

 

Don't like it?  Hope for the invention of time travel and go back to live in 1950 before the modern world developed.  BTW, fishing reels used to backlash like crazy back then!

[Got1Fishing]

Well I agree that most of us want the best product out there, and if it isn't being produced in the US, then it's our own fault. If companies like Shimano and Abu Garcia are the top makers of some of the finest reels, then I understand why we buy products made overseas. 

 

I just wanted to start a thread where we listed good made American fishing products. It seems as though fly fishing has more options, and bass fishing has less; sucks. 

[baluga]

Don't forget the Van Staal reels.

[J Francho]

I just wanted to start a thread where we listed good made American fishing products. It seems as though fly fishing has more options, and bass fishing has less; sucks. 

 

 

There's plenty of domestic tackle manufacturers and custom rod makers.  Delaware Valley Tackle, Siebert Outdoors, Megastrike, Northstar Custom Tackle, are just a few that sponsor this website.

[roadwarrior]

You can add Rage Tail to the list.

[dodgeguy]

I wish there were more.

[J Francho]

You can add Rage Tail to the list.

 

I was 90% sure. Thanks!

[dam0007]

@baluga Van Staal is made in China as well.

[SirSnookalot]

@baluga Van Staal is made in China as well.

Seems to be true, Van Staal did face bankruptcy.

[baluga]

All the while I thought they kept it here.  Oh well..there goes Van Staal quality.

[MCS]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/made-usa-journey-behind-label-112854639.html?vp=1

 

Interesting story that is somewhat pertinent to this thread, just thought I would share.

[Got1Fishing]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/made-usa-journey-behind-label-112854639.html?vp=1

 

Interesting story that is somewhat pertinent to this thread, just thought I would share.

 Thanks for sharing! I definitely enjoyed reading it. I believe they are correct when they say that the consumer needs to demand it more. 

[flyfisher]

I think consumers demand quality at a fair price and until both of those factors are met nothing will change.  As a country we have turned into a service oriented society so supporting the USA in your purchases isn't just about the stickers on the box but how it got there, is later serviced and who sold it to you.  

[DogBone_384]

I agree with JF's comment regarding buying products from companies employing Americans.  I drive a Tundra and do so because my wife and I have gone a combined 28 years, 400,000+ miles with Toyota trucks.  Tundra's are also made here in the states.  Surprisingly, my Tundra's OEM alternator and flexible brake lines were made in the US.

 

I also believe that corporate executives don't give a rat's a** about 'people who go to work every day' so if my purchases help keep regular people working, I feel OK if the company isn't wholly American.

 

Don't know how I got on this subject in a bass fishing forum, but I guess I did.

 

Screw it, I'm going fishing tomorrow.

[dam0007]

I just posted last week talking smack about politicians. Just read in new bass mag they banned all lead fishing tackle to save a species that has seen a 11% growth in population. All the mother fun stats they showed themselves proved lead did not affect 'loons' reproduction (whatever a loon is???) yet the good old Democrats approved the law anyways. Did a quick search online and basicly throw a lead jig head and get caught and face a 3 year minimum prison sentence. ---- made in America stamping on commercial goods is being phased out by no one other than politicians.

[Traveler2586]

I just posted last week talking smack about politicians. Just read in new bass mag they banned all lead fishing tackle to save a species that has seen a 11% growth in population. All the mother fun stats they showed themselves proved lead did not affect 'loons' reproduction (whatever a loon is???) yet the good old Democrats approved the law anyways. Did a quick search on-line and basically throw a lead jig head and get caught and face a 3 year minimum prison sentence. ---- made in America stamping on commercial goods is being phased out by no one other than politicians.

 

Ya, I saw that article, don't recall it saying anything about Democrats though, just lawmakers.  You can still fish with lead weights as long as they're one once or more, so the trolling people are OK, and punching rigs should be OK too.

 

I think this action is more about marketing than the Loons.  The lawmakers failed to heed the reports from scientist.  If everyone now needs to re-tool with Tungsten, who benefits?  The tackle shops?  I would question the motive of some in the conservation group and their relationship with the tungsten tackle market.

 

The States may be the real losers when it comes to the tourist trade.  I for one will not be vacationing in any state where I can't use my tackle. So that means two weeks of no hotel rooms, restaurants, miscellaneous expenses, guide services, and the taxes that go with it all.

 

If my state passed such a law and I was forced to re-tool, I would purchase everything from out-of-state suppliers.

[dam0007]

All those who voted yay were dem

[SirSnookalot]

Whether one agrees with a law or not, the issue is what to do to adhere to a law, not the political agenda of one party vs another.

Question is to me, do loons favor the taste of lead or is the size they like?  Not being an ornithologist I don't have an educated opinion but common sense leads me to believe it just might be the size and or shape. The next question would be, are there harmful effects to these birds using other materials, again I do not have an unequivocal answer.  If a bird or any animal can't pass something thru their system, wheter toxic of not there, I would think there is potential for harm.

If my state passed such a law and I was forced to re-tool, I would purchase everything from out-of-state suppliers.

 

 

What good does it do to purchase an item that isn't legal in one's home state, it can't be used.  Is selective law biding the way to go?

[wormycrm99]

Kistler rods and ALX rods.

[Sam]

I have been told that Lews reels are made in the USA.

 

Hummingbird electronics are made in the USA.

 

But as J said, every manufacturer have people in the USA so you help support their careers by purchasing those products you like and have confidence and by not being concerned where they are made or assembled.

 

If you don't want products from outside the USA then let's get rid of all the baseballs made in Haiti.

[*Hootie]

Yes, and I am sure we are all posting, using American made computers, and cell phones,

made using American made parts and "good ol" American technology........NOT!!.....lol

 

Hootie

[J Francho]

But as J said, every manufacturer have people in the USA so you help support their careers by purchasing those products you like and have confidence and by not being concerned where they are made or assembled.

 

 

What many don't realize, is any "assembly" here, is usually done by robots.  They offshore the expensive assembly to cheaper countries.  Automakers use offshore factories to do the drive trains - the expensive parts - and robots here to do final assembly.  That whole "60% built in the USA, and 40% made in China" you see on the sticker is a little misleading.

 

If you can find a company that employs many US citizens, treats them right, and has a good product and support, STICK WITH THEM!!!

[webertime]

Regarding what the definition of Made in America is...  I come from a pretty long history in the cycling/ski/snowboard industry.  You want your bike to say Made in America.  Send plans to frame builder in Taiwan, China, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc.  Frame gets sent to your warehouse.  But components from Japanese/Chinese companies.  Put the frame in a jig to make sure it's aligned (align it if need be) and paint it.  Assemble the bike.  By just aligning and painting it you now have a bike you can legally say was Made in America, and boy did people eat that up.  I am sure many companies do this with MANY products.  

 

 

Regarding Loons:  They pick up pebbles and swallow them to aid in digestion.  They would pick up sinkers, thinking they are pebbles and eat them and die of lead poisoning.  Problem with banning lead (NY, VT, NH, Mass, Maine, etc.) is that these are G.D. MIGRATORY BIRDS!!!!  They can eat a sinker in Georgia and die in Massachusetts.

[J Francho]

Regarding Loons:  They pick up pebbles and swallow them to aid in digestion.  They would pick up sinkers, thinking they are pebbles and eat them and die of lead poisoning.  Problem with banning lead (NY, VT, NH, Mass, Maine, etc.) is that these are G.D. MIGRATORY BIRDS!!!!  They can eat a sinker in Georgia and die in Massachusetts.

 

 

Yes, but someone point me toward ANY research that clearly shows that fishing lead contributes to the decline in population of loons.  Show me a study where the ban of fishing lead has led to a decline in loon mortality.  It doesn't exist.  Why?  Because the laws are passed using emotions triggered by graphic images of a few loons that died due to lead poisoning.  What's even funnier - they couldn't prove the lead was from fishing lures.