ToledoEF Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 These rods have been out a little bit now. Those of you who have fished them, whats your concensus on the new rod and possibly how it stacks up vs the older series. Quote
johnD. Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 I checked them out in the tackle shop ,imo it definitely feels like there is not enough eve foam to hold on to (uncomfortable) ....I would like to know their reasoning behind this. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted June 8, 2013 Super User Posted June 8, 2013 Far better rod than the original. Far, far better. Their primary problem remains availability. The short rear grip has no effect on me at all. In most situations it is actually more comfortable because of the balance. Quote
skeletor6 Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 I checked them out in the tackle shop ,imo it definitely feels like there is not enough eve foam to hold on to (uncomfortable) ....I would like to know their reasoning behind this. Weight savings. The blanks at its most efficient state in raw form. Any materials added reduces this efficiency. The new cumara embraces this principle by using minimal amounts of materials. Thus, a very light and sensitive rod. Quote
BradGuenette Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 I have two of them, both spinning. So far I like them, significantly lighter then the previous model Cumara. I can say I'm happy with the rod. I should note that I have seen two rods that have problems with the plastic on the reel seat coming apart. Also have had one come in that snapped just above the 2nd guide. Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 I have the 7'9" Umbrella Rig Cumara A and love it. It's more sensitive than the first gen and lighter as well. The short grip did take some getting used to I'll admit but once I did I don't even notice it anymore. That's about the only "bad" thing I can think of about this rod, I plan to pick up at least 3 or 4 more this year. I'm also impressed with the power this rod has when compared to its weight. I'd tell you to go ahead if you're thinking about picking one up, you'll have to adjust to the grip but you will no problem. Quote
Super User Goose52 Posted June 8, 2013 Super User Posted June 8, 2013 My report on a CUC-72MA (7'2" medium-fast casting) was here: New Cumara A Casting Rod - Initial and On-The-Water Reviews In a nutshell - the rod is very sensitive, I like the reel seat, I very much dislike the minimized grip, and the overly long grip spacing...but for that you are getting somewhat better balance. I am also not very keen on the microguides - quality is OK, but when they went to microguides, they did not increase the quantity of guides - this means that the line rubs on the blank when the rod is under load. Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 My report on a CUC-72MA (7'2" medium-fast casting) was here: New Cumara A Casting Rod - Initial and On-The-Water Reviews In a nutshell - the rod is very sensitive, I like the reel seat, I very much dislike the minimized grip, and the overly long grip spacing...but for that you are getting somewhat better balance. I am also not very keen on the microguides - quality is OK, but when they went to microguides, they did not increase the quantity of guides - this means that the line rubs on the blank when the rod is under load. After reading Goose52's report I went and tested my Cumara A and no matter how hard or which direction I pulled I never got the line to even get close to the blank. So this isn't a true statement for all the new Cumara's. I'm not calling him a liar, I'm sure the line does touch the blank on his model rod, I'm just saying it doesn't on ALL models like he suggests. Quote
Super User Goose52 Posted June 9, 2013 Super User Posted June 9, 2013 My report was on a CUC-72MA in the worm and jig series. I never suggested that all Cumara A's have this issue. BUT, this one rod, in the rod series that most people would purchase (worm & jig) DOES have blank contact. Under any significant load, the line touches the blank at every spot between the 2nd and 8th guides. This is with a fast action - I imagine the extra fast action would probably only have contact in the upper guides. Does it affect fish-catching performance? Who knows - but it's' a factor that will bother some folks. Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 My report was on a CUC-72MA in the worm and jig series. I never suggested that all Cumara A's have this issue. BUT, this one rod, in the rod series that most people would purchase (worm & jig) DOES have blank contact. Under any significant load, the line touches the blank at every spot between the 2nd and 8th guides. This is with a fast action - I imagine the extra fast action would probably only have contact in the upper guides. Does it affect fish-catching performance? Who knows - but it's' a factor that will bother some folks. You said "when they went to micro guides..." this is the reason for the line touching the blank, well they didn't just use micro guides on the one model you have so therefore you were implying that ALL the rods had this problem. Like I said earlier the 7'9" umbrella rig rod doesn't have line touch no matter the amount of flex and it's also a fast action. I also CLEARLY stated in my first post that I wasn't calling you a liar so there wasn't really any need for you to restate your case regarding your model. Quote
Crappiebasser Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 After reading Goose's post I checked mine. I have the 72M, 72MHXF, 610MHXF, and 711HXF (pictured). All 4 do rub the blank. I don't have the A-rig so I can't speak to it though. One thing I've noticed of all of them is they seem over rated power wise. As a loyal St Croix fan I'm used to a medium rod that will handle a 1/2 oz spinnerbait and heavy you can shoot pool with. These rods are not that way. They are very light and sensitive though. Also the rear grip only bothers me on the spinnerbait rod and I attribute it to the 200 series reel. The other 3 have 50 series reels. Quote
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted June 9, 2013 Super User Posted June 9, 2013 You said "when they went to micro guides..." this is the reason for the line touching the blank, well they didn't just use micro guides on the one model you have so therefore you were implying that ALL the rods had this problem. Like I said earlier the 7'9" umbrella rig rod doesn't have line touch no matter the amount of flex and it's also a fast action. I also CLEARLY stated in my first post that I wasn't calling you a liar so there wasn't really any need for you to restate your case regarding your model. All Goose was doing was to clarify his original statement. Somebody got his shorts in a bunch? Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 All Goose was doing was to clarify his original statement. Somebody got his shorts in a bunch? If anybody has it's Goose, this is my third time saying it now but I never said anywhere that I didn't believe him so I'm not sure why he felt the need to restate his case. Also if I do it doesn't concern you now does it. After reading Goose's post I checked mine. I have the 72M, 72MHXF, 610MHXF, and 711HXF (pictured). All 4 do rub the blank. I don't have the A-rig so I can't speak to it though. One thing I've noticed of all of them is they seem over rated power wise. As a loyal St Croix fan I'm used to a medium rod that will handle a 1/2 oz spinnerbait and heavy you can shoot pool with. These rods are not that way. They are very light and sensitive though. Also the rear grip only bothers me on the spinnerbait rod and I attribute it to the 200 series reel. The other 3 have 50 series reels. Well in light of your findings I'm going to re test my rod, I'm fairly confident in my first test findings but if all these other models are doing it why should this one (umbrella rig) be any different. I'll report back... Quote
thehooligan Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 I got the new 6'8 mh spinning rod at a great price so i had to pick it up. Balances perfect with my stradic 1000 fj. I had my older 6'8 m cumara out with a sustain 1000fg, and the newer rod is definitely more sensitive. Can feel alot more with the very minimal grip. Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 Ok gents I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong, after retesting my rod the line will in fact come in contact with the blank when pulled on with enough force. It takes a lot to get it to happen though so I'm not sure if I've ever had it flex that deep while fishing. I'm sure its possible with the right size fish, the biggest I've caught on it so far is a 10# landlocked stripe. I REALLY wish i hadnt found this out though because now it's really bothering me. Seems to me Shimano would have caught this before production began. 2 Quote
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted June 10, 2013 Super User Posted June 10, 2013 Kudos to you. Thanks for the info. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted June 10, 2013 Super User Posted June 10, 2013 Odd. My 7-2 MH and Med XF don't do it at all. My 6-8 MH XF doesn't., the 6-8 M touches. The fast rods all touch. How odd... Quote
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