Why St. Croix!!

[tstone]

I never said it is better than any Rod Company, simply it is the best, and I don't think it is possible for anyone to make a valid statement that "THERE IS A BETTER ROD COMPANY"  PERIOD!!!! 

 

There are those that prefer a toyota over a Ford truck, sorry I aint one of them, if you like Toyota, thats wonderful, I like my Ford! and you wont convince me the toyota is a better truck.   

Interpreting it the way it reads, you basically just said "I never said it is better than anyone, but no one is better"

 

The second sentence describes why this thread is pointless... you think your opinion is fact, and whether or not it really is, no one will convince you otherwise.

[Capt.Bob]

I'm not sure I get the point of this post, except for that Capt. Bob like his St. Croix's.  I am a G Loomis fan and I didn't really like the St. Croix's that I tried, but in the end it doesn't matter.  You fish with what you enjoy.  We are all here to share our passion of fishing and not compare who's rod is longer.  These divisive threads are more detrimental to a forum like this than they are beneficial.  RW, is Irene around?

My whole point was no company has better Customer Service or better rods. Then it got turned into there are Companies as good, I don't dispute that, I simply don't think there is any Company with better Customer Service or quality. as good maybe better,,,,,,NOT!

 

You are exactly right, and as long as I have been in this business those are the only two that can say they are the best period. They have the best and longest track record of taking care of their customers and no American Company or foreign has the blank technology these two do. They both produce rods that cannot be equaled, and I am not talking Avid's and IMX's.

 

I can't think of anyone who would choose any rod made over their choice of a Legend Elite, Extreme, or a Loomis GLX or NRX no charge any rod you want!!! Those rods have no equals, they are very much divided by personal preference, and it would be fugal to say there are others that are their equal!! Just as it would be Fugal to say there was a Company that offered a wider variety from one end of the spectrum to the other, with Customer Service this good.  Hence why I chose St. Croix as my prefered rod Company,,,,,not my only!! with over 40 rods from Eagle Claw, Fenwick, Abu-Garcia, Bass Pro, Pfluger, Diawa, Loomis, Okuma, Berkly, Browning, etc, but my prefered rod Company is St. Croix. I would not trade one of my Legend Elite's or Extreme's for any of them!!  Just My Personal Choice!!

 

I mean do you really think Hank Parker thinks there is no better built rod than Berkly???

[iabass8]

What did you really think was going to happen with such an opinionated post on an internet forum? They are up there in rods but depending on the part of the country you live in, don't have the "top" following as others do.  St. Croix does make a great product but to blatantly state "there is no better rod" is just a biased opinion, not a fact. 

 

I think hank parker fishes fenwick rods now. at least he does on his show as of recent.

[Capt.Bob]

I think hank parker fishes fenwick rods now. at least he does on his show as of recent.

Like so many others that could be true today its all about the market!! It just depends on the price!!! MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!   Thank you for clarifying that!!

[Hooked_On_Bass]

No doubt St. Croix makes good sticks. I've had several, but have since replaced them with G Loomis. Just a preference thing.

I've had to use G Loomis' customer service once, for a rod that was broke during shipping. They were great!

Can't go wrong with either manufacturer.

[dam0007]

Pure awesome! Proud to say I dropped $300 on the new avid surf rod with lifetime warranty.

[derekxec]

not to rag on st croix cause i use some of their blanks too but i like my rainshadow blanks better....i dont care for warranties and thats why i like rainshadow better because i dont have to use their warranty...i would rather not have any problems than have to use the warranty and thats what i get from rainshadow :D 

[tomustang]

My rod's bigger than your rod.

[Capt.Bob]

not to rag on st croix cause i use some of their blanks too but i like my rainshadow blanks better....i dont care for warranties and thats why i like rainshadow better because i dont have to use their warranty...i would rather not have any problems than have to use the warranty and thats what i get from rainshadow :D

There best blank is a comparable blank to the Premier for rod builders, Jann's Netcraft is one of the big wholesalers for Rainshadow RX8 there top end blank and the RX7 a very low priced blank for the money not bad but hardly premium, My Custom Rod Builder is the rod tech at Netcraft he has been building high end rods for over 30 years, he is also my Custom Rod Builder and rainshadow is not on his preferred list of blanks, much like our own .RM. he prefers tha Croix blanks also, and not because he can buy them cheaper. That is a very cost affective blank but there best blank is far below that of many blank rod suppliers!! They are great rods for the money, but far from the highest quality available.at $85.00 to $115.00 for there top tier blanks they are good quality for what you pay.  But you truly do get what you pay for in rod blanks. One of Kevins projects was a handle he just finished for me and can be seen here.http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/118818-my-st-croix-legend-extreme-my-way-eye-candy/

He truly knows his stuff!! Most top end builders will prefer Loomis or St. Croix for the basis of their high performance builds.

[iabass8]

There best blank is a comparable blank to the Premier for rod builders, Jann's Netcraft is one of the big wholesalers for Rainshadow RX8 there top end blank and the RX7 a very low priced blank for the money not bad but hardly premium, My Custom Rod Builder is the rod tech at Netcraft he has been building high end rods for over 30 years, he is also my Custom Rod Builder and rainshadow is not on his preferred list of blanks, much like our own .RM. he prefers tha Croix blanks also, and not because he can buy them cheaper. That is a very cost affective blank but there best blank is far below that of many blank rod suppliers!! They are great rods for the money, but far from the highest quality available.at $85.00 to $115.00 for there top tier blanks they are good quality for what you pay.  But you truly do get what you pay for in rod blanks. One of Kevins projects was a handle he just finished for me and can be seen here.http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/118818-my-st-croix-legend-extreme-my-way-eye-candy/

He truly knows his stuff!! Most top end builders will prefer Loomis or St. Croix for the basis of their high performance builds.

What was the point of that? Diminish somebody else's personal preference because it isn't your own or "every custom rod builders shared preference"? He likes something different. Even Mattman and others at TT build on and like the RX8 blank but they probably aren't considered a "top rod builder" by you I'm guessing. And no, they aren't scv blank quality but to compare them to a premier or put them near a bottom of a "list" is laughable at best. Also, St. Croix makes the rx8 blank.

 

My god close this stupid thread already.

 

 

[derekxec]

hey i hope they stay cheap in price lol cause they are very sensitive but i guess not the lightest blanks but they are strong and i guess mostly unfinished blanks but i like the unfinished look which reminds me i really should start marking what model the blank is when i build lol

[Capt.Bob]

hey i hope they stay cheap in price lol cause they are very sensitive but i guess not the lightest blanks but they are strong and i guess mostly unfinished blanks but i like the unfinished look which reminds me i really should start marking what model the blank is when i build lol

Yes they are and as I said a very good blank for the money, somehow now I am accused of knocking it or downgrading it. Sorry but thought I made it clear it was quality for the cost which to most I would think means better quality than the price reflects!!!!!! Not so obvious to others! and like everything else, always someone to find a dig in it. I should have said how they are light years ahead of  the SCV blanks, hope you didn't take it as a dig on the preferred blank RX8 blank, and sorry but they do carry a warranty a lifetime warranty if you are using the RX8. And if one reads what is typed they see OH the RX7 is not a premium blank but warranted the same!! and close in quality to the Premier!! Sorry but I don't consider the Premier a bad blank, but no it aint a SCV blank either!! I don't warrant them or make em, just the way the company backs em!!! Probably why they are not same cost either!!! Gee that must mean the Lifetime warranted blank of the RX8 is better, but not a SCV, will I be stoned for pointing out that difference as well?????? No one knocked you RX8 blanks, as I said for the price a good rod better than its price dictates, and good quality for what you are paying!!! OH I already said that!! I am sorry but only a lier would say as good as SCV.

 

Hope you understood the post before better than "iabass8, he obviously didn't comprehend the whole thing.

 

[iabass8]

There best blank is a comparable blank to the Premier for rod builders, Jann's Netcraft is one of the big wholesalers for Rainshadow RX8 there top end blank and the RX7 a very low priced blank for the money not bad but hardly premium,

 

 

 

 

 And if one reads what is typed they see OH the RX7 is not a premium blank but warranted the same!! and close in quality to the Premier!! 

Hope you understood the post before better than "iabass8, he obviously didn't comprehend the whole thing.

 

 

Perhaps it is you that needs a class in comprehension....unless you feel the rx7 is a better blank than the rx8...

 

and your entire post was just a giant rant about how "your top rod builders" don't like the blank and how it "isn't st. croix quiality* (even those the rx8 is made by st. croix) which I don't remember derek asking why he thought you shouldn't use it just that, a shocker here, he preferred something other than st. croix. The second he says preferred something he different you went in to a rant about how your rod builder doesn't find them to be a quality blank. So yes, it was demeaning. 

[tstone]

This whole thread is a trainwreck. Saying that St Croix is the best and no one can be better is ignorant. That's your preference. Whining on an internet board when others don't agree doesn't make you right. For being an adult, you sure sound like a child.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

This whole thread is a trainwreck. Saying that St Croix is the best and no one can be better is ignorant. That's your preference. Whining on an internet board when others don't agree doesn't make you right. For being an adult, you sure sound like a child.

 

Im very offended by this statement. This diminishes all of those misfortunate enought to have been in an actual trainwreck, such as myself.

[Capt.Bob]

 

hey i hope they stay cheap in price lol cause they are very sensitive but i guess not the lightest blanks but they are strong and i guess mostly unfinished blanks but i like the unfinished look which reminds me i really should start marking what model the blank is when i build lol

Sorry if you took me wrong, I started this thread stating their is no better CS than St. Croix!! I believe that and like I said the Rainshadow is a good buy and a good rod, There is only a fool who would tell someone if they asked if it is as good as a St. Croix SCV that would tell them yes!! Sorry it is a fact. It is not the same quality, hell they make a Triumph too, I assure you it aint in the same league with the Legends,,,,,,any of them!!  I would be a total fool to suggest it was, or worse yet a liar! That said I stated it is a good rod and better than its price reflects, that is the truth, and not a bloated exaggeration!!

Perhaps it is you that needs a class in comprehension....unless you feel the rx7 is a better blank than the rx8...

 

and your entire post was just a giant rant about how "your top rod builders" don't like the blank and how it "isn't st. croix quiality* (even those the rx8 is made by st. croix) which I don't remember derek asking why he thought you shouldn't use it just that, a shocker here, he preferred something other than st. croix. The second he says preferred something he different you went in to a rant about how your rod builder doesn't find them to be a quality blank. So yes, it was demeaning. 

Pick and cut out what you want, it is very obvious you are worried more about lying and twisting facts than pointing out the truth, sorry if I hurt his feelings and sorry if you don't like it but I wont feed someone a line of bull to build their ego!! The facts are it may may even be in the same leage as an Avid or IMX but it dang sure aint the quality of the Legend Elite or Extreme, sorry if the facts aren't what you want to hear, and anybody know I would be a fool to think they are the same quality!!! LIVE WITH IT!!!

 

This whole thread is a trainwreck. Saying that St Croix is the best and no one can be better is ignorant. That's your preference. Whining on an internet board when others don't agree doesn't make you right. For being an adult, you sure sound like a child.

I will take a chance here and let you tell me what rod Manufacturer is better, more diverse, and makes more ways to take care of their customers with a larger offering covering more choices than St Croix,,,,,,,anywhere in the world!! mind you since you like calling names it would be childish to say better just name one that meets all these criteria!!

 

Like I said some threads back, if any one ever asked me what rod they should be looking for if they wanted the best possible spinning or casting rod available, and as I said they did not care what it cost, but didn't want anything but the very highest quality, I would be a fool to offer any advice other than St. Croix Legend Elite or Extreme and if they prefer  Loomis NRX or GLX, those would be what most agree are the very best factory rods available. Now if they were looking to build a rod I would have to recamend a St. Croix SCV, since Loomis no longer offers rod blanks for custom builders, and sir I would feel ignorant if I offered any other advice!! I am not going to suggest anything less to keep from hurting someones feelings, But as I said I am open to any possible suggestion of a Company that offers more models at a wider price range from factory built to bare blanks, with as many options to cover current and future owners of their products, please correct me!!! Hell I may have been depriving myself all these years???????? and don't sugar coat it to keep from hurting my feelings!!! Please educate this ignorant old man! 

[SirSnookalot]

The initial intent of the original post was to claim the superiority of St. Croix's customer service.  The only way to determine the best would be dealing with each and every rod manufacture's customer service, something I believe that no one has done.  I do not use St Croix rods and have seen very few of them down here, of the several brands that I use not a one of them in the last 10 years have needed to go back to the manufacture.  I really don't know how good their service is, because the rods have performed with no flaws and never needing any repair, except an occasional guide replacement.  We fish some pretty harsh conditions, my primary fishing spot is an inlet with current that can run as fast as 12 knots, so the Coast Guard says and that's pretty fast.  Not to diminish those nice walleyes, but in my opinion snook, tarpon, permit, barracuda, and jack crevelles are some very formidable fish. We do not use heavy gear and lines for these fish, yet our rods do stand up to the task.  This thread is no different than one being devoted to reels, it's all subjective and based on one owner's experience with a limited number of brands.

[*Hootie]

LMG lives on. He is now known as Capt. Bob......lol

 

Hootie

[skeletor6]

You can twist the fact 

 

some here seem to try and put interpretations on things that simply aren't said.

 

 

 

Hope you understood the post before better than "iabass8, he obviously didn't comprehend the whole thing. (To be honest, I do not think you read the entirety of what other individuals have to say. Other opinions don't matter to you. You know the "facts" and are right about everything. Being biased and belligerent is fine, calling others out who are well schooled on their knowledge and experience is something you should be cautious about as there is the possibility that you, yes you Captain Bob, could be wrong.)

 

 

Sorry if you took me wrong, I started this thread stating their is no better CS than St. Croix!! (Read your opening post...you did far more than claim superiority of customer service)

 

that is the truth, and not a bloated exaggeration!! (how ironic...bloated exaggeration, exactly what I was thinking)

 

Pick and cut out what you want, it is very obvious you are worried more about lying and twisting facts than pointing out the truth, I wont feed someone a line of bull to build their ego!! (If you are going to call someone a liar, please back it up with evidence. And I will ask again, what facts have been twisted? I am fairly certain that you do not read your posts before you submit them as there are some serious legibility concerns. You seem to mention how everyone is twisting and interpreting you wrong. Perhaps the issues may reside with your own posts as it seems there are multiple people who just can't interpret your posts. Maybe if your entire posts were all caps it would be easier to understand.)

 

 

The initial intent of the original post was to claim the superiority of St. Croix's customer service. 

 

Mr. Snooks, please defer to the captain's opening post. and the MULTIPLE claims made.

 

1.) St. Croix has the best CS in the business and

2.) make the "VERY BEST RODS ON THE PLANET",

3.)  "100% MADE IN THE USA BY AMERICAN CRAFTSMAN", and there are

4.) none better than the Legend Extreme, Elite, and Tournament are as good as it get's.

 

5.) This is why I say you can buy more expensive rods, or less expensive rods, "BUT YOU CAN'T BUY BETTER ROD'S OR BETTER BACKED ROD'S AT ANY PRICE

 

Captains Claims in OP

1.) Customer service superiority with an example 

2.) Make the VERY BEST RODS ON THE PLANET!!!!!! 

3.) 100% made in the USA.....(this "fact" of the captains has already been knocked down as the Fuji components on their rods are not manufactured by them)

4.) None better than elite, extreme, and tournament.

 

I hope this clears up that the captain was not only speaking of his good customer service experience with St. Croix. There were multiple intents to his post. Boasting about St. Croix's customer service was only 1 of these intentions.

[Capt.Bob]

Surely someone can save me here and steer me in the right direction, there must be at least one company that could 1) take better care of me,as a owner 2) have a better assortment for all to choose from, 3) make a rod better than the Legend E's,,,,,,,,, I have been wasting far to much money on these second rate rods, I just need a little help choosing a better rod supplier......... Someone??????      I don't know,,,,, maybe they are that good???? As far as LMG goes the man had a point,,,,,,,,,,,,till Lew's was reintroduced!!       As far as 100% made in America call a couple components what you will, and don't forget they have imported several lines of rods to compete with the lower end stuff from others, they do try to please everyone!!,,,,,,,and to make sound even worse,,,,,,,,,they probably get the cork from Portugal?????There has to be someone out there doing a better job of taking care of all fisherman,,,,,,,,,,,,,anyone????   

[*Hootie]

I wish I was a Mod right now.....lol

Mods, PLEASE, PUT THIS TOPIC OUT OF IT'S MISERY

 

Hootie

[Capt.Bob]

I wish I was a Mod right now.....lol

Mods, PLEASE, PUT THIS TOPIC OUT OF IT'S MISERY

 

Hootie

I think your right Hootie, it looks like I aint gona be saved,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 

[*Hootie]

I think your right Hootie, it looks like I aint gona be saved,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 

 

Hey, Capt. Bob, you have given it a valiant effort.

Just for the record, I am kinda like you. I have St. Croix rods, G loomis, Dobyns, BPS, Fenwick, Abu Garcia. Heck, I like em all. I'm just a tackle junkie. My wife says I'm beyond saving at this late date.

 

Hootie

[J Francho]

So Cappy likes Saint Croix?  Why is it so hard to let it be.  I don't know if they're the best, but they're pretty good, and I'm satisfied with my purchases. I'm also satisfied with my G.Loomis, Dobyns, and Shimano rods.  It is refreshing that they maintain some of their assembly here in the US.  You should also realize many of these companies that import rods also employ many people here in the US. 

 

Not sure there's much more to debate here.  Time to go fishing ladies!

[South FLA]

Fact:

Best is subjective!

 

Fact:

The United States of America and is part of the New World GLOBAL ECONOMY, buying 100% American made is not necessarily better for the U.S.A. economy than buying X product from X company that provides X amount of Americans with jobs.

 

Opinion:

 

Megabass > Lake Fork Composites > St. Croix > Loomis > Dobyns > Batson

 

I enjoy the thread and it shows the PASSION of the forum. I am glad that we live in such a great country with such a high standard of living that we can "argue" and "debate" this!