Super User LgMouthGambler Posted May 22, 2013 Super User Posted May 22, 2013 LMG lives on. He is now known as Capt. Bob......lol Hootie HEY! That's not fair! I use Shimano and Dobyns rods!
Super User J Francho Posted May 22, 2013 Super User Posted May 22, 2013 Dobyns are junk, lol. (KIDDING!!!! :eyebrows: )
Super User *Hootie Posted May 22, 2013 Super User Posted May 22, 2013 HEY! That's not fair! I use Shimano and Dobyns rods! Uh oh!.... I'm busted.....lol And when did you start using Dobyns rods, might I ask? Hootie
EvanT123 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Fact: Best is subjective! I enjoy the thread and it shows the PASSION of the forum. I am glad that we live in such a great country with such a high standard of living that we can "argue" and "debate" this! Well said.
DaveT63 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 I have roughly 12 St Croix rods, from Triumphs to Xtreme's. I absolutely LOVE them. That said, I also have a couple Loomis GLX rods, and they get very comparable fishing time to the Elites and Xtremes. I would be hard pressed to say which is better. Both are fine rods. I've never used Loomis CS, but can vouch for the CS at St Croix as being first class.
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted May 22, 2013 Super User Posted May 22, 2013 Uh oh!.... I'm busted.....lol And when did you start using Dobyns rods, might I ask? Hootie I get a great deal on them from someone. Frog rod is on the way. Savvy Series.
derekxec Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 batson does everything i believe...they have forecast components(guides), alps(reel seats and such) and rainshadow blanks
Super User J Francho Posted May 22, 2013 Super User Posted May 22, 2013 A couple clarifications: NFC has a line of bass rods in the prototype/field testing phase. The blanks are made in the US, and the rods will be assembled here as well. Batson manufactures blanks and many other components for many species and applications. Their Rainshadow line is well known to both bass anglers and trout anglers - both fly and knuckle-dragging pinners, like me. It's relevant only because you mentioned that SC sells blanks. Now this is only opinion....but it would seem silly to me for Dobyns to start selling walleye or trout rods. He is a successful tournament bass fisherman. Sometimes I think it's probably better to stick with what you know. Same would go for Megabass - I mean, it has "bass" in the name, lol.
Capt.Bob Posted May 22, 2013 Author Posted May 22, 2013 Fact: Best is subjective! Fact: The United States of America and is part of the New World GLOBAL ECONOMY, buying 100% American made is not necessarily better for the U.S.A. economy than buying X product from X company that provides X amount of Americans with jobs. Opinion: Megabass > Lake Fork Composites > St. Croix > Loomis > Dobyns > Batson I enjoy the thread and it shows the PASSION of the forum. I am glad that we live in such a great country with such a high standard of living that we can "argue" and "debate" this! You have brought up a couple that make outstanding rods but just aren't the total package I mentioned!!! 1) Megabass very small selection and primarily bass only, excellent rods,,,,,what few they build,,,,,,,and terible warranty, rods from $999.00 to $300.00 are usually backed by more than a three year warranty, they don't seem to be as proud of them as those that buy em!! there quality may be considered subjective,,,,, but their warranty and extremely limited selection are FACT!! 2) Dobyns, as I said earlier they offer very nice rods to Bass fisherman only??? I think they are a very limited company as to who they service,,,,,,like I said no one is more diverse, Subjective is the word, do they really compare to the quality of the best Croix has to offer, I won't comment on that but definitely subjective but there is nothing subjective about the limited freshwater aplications they offer,,,,,no need to mention Salt Water!! that is FACT 3) Batson??????????? I think you are talking about a manufacturer of blanks not rods, they are a huge wholesaler though???? 4) G.Loomis, they are as I already mentioned subjective, I know lately their have been many of their dedicated fan base complaining that their quality is falling off, their selections and offerings have already downsized, and now they won't even offer their blanks to the public, Better?? I am sure to some but, again Subjective!!,,,,,as diverse Croix does, NEVER!! FACT! there warranty is questionable also as many have complained and I don't think it is transferable even on their high end???? don't stone me, as I said I am not sure. St. Croix does make provisions for this!!!FACT 5) I believe you were referring to North Fork Composites? BUT,,, Gary Loomis is a king in the rod industry and as I said before about Facts,,,only a fool would argue that, he is just getting off the ground and he is loading up for bear!!! but at this time he offering bare blanks, I am not aware of him offering a fishing rod, he manufactures bare blanks, and very very good ones!!! How do you compare him to a total rod company?????? FACT But I am glad you mentioned him he deserves recognition. 6)ST CROIX,,, lastly ,, I said I would be open to any suggestions to a Rod Company that could offer me BETTER,,,, MORE,,,,or take better care of me than them, I don't think there is one, subjective MAYBE???? but I have not seen one that offers anything near the total package they do. Why I said They are my Choice!! Well said. Debate is good, and if we were talking manufacturers of raw blank I would probably have to say NFC and Gary Loomis offers as good a total product as any, But that is all he is offering and I am sure it is a quality rod, from him or a SCV from Croix, I believe you could build the best rod possible with either one. and unlike Megabass when you got done I don't think you would have $999.00 in it but it would be backed for life, not three years,,,,Gary and St. Croix are much prouder of their product than to put a 3 year warranty on it!
Super User kickerfish1 Posted May 22, 2013 Super User Posted May 22, 2013 This is a bass forum... hence the name. Talking about rods that are suited to other species is irrelevant. That is what other forums would be for. People who join this site are looking for information about all aspects of bass fishing and aren't looking here for a source of trout or walleye info or any other species for that matter. Dobyns and Megabass are only a few of many companies ONLY targetting bass anglers. Nothing wrong with having a refined target market. From my understanding this isn't a multi species forum. 1
Super User J Francho Posted May 22, 2013 Super User Posted May 22, 2013 From my understanding this isn't a multi species forum. No, but many of us target and fish for other species, and we have an "Other Species" category here as well. Keep in mind this is one person's opinion of what is best, and if one of the criteria is having a product line that suits other species, then that's his opinion. I think we get a little pigeon holed with bass gear anyway. There are a few so called walleye rods in the SC line up that are better drop shot rods than many rods designated as "drop shot rods." There are also holes in many bass line ups. Where you can you find a light and sensitive, 7-7.5', heavy power, fast action spinning rod marketed to bass anglers? I know Rhapsody has one in development (my buddy Jim helped design it). You have to turn to an inshore style rod. That's just one example, I'm sure there's others. 2
Capt.Bob Posted May 22, 2013 Author Posted May 22, 2013 This is a bass forum... hence the name. Talking about rods that are suited to other species is irrelevant. That is what other forums would be for. People who join this site are looking for information about all aspects of bass fishing and aren't looking here for a source of trout or walleye info or any other species for that matter. Dobyns and Megabass are only a few of many companies ONLY targetting bass anglers. Nothing wrong with having a refined target market. From my understanding this isn't a multi species forum. Sorry but I think we have different section for different species, but not for specific rods reels and lines????? maybe I am breaking a rule I overlooked and not allowed to discus a rod a line or a reel if I use it for something other than ..,,,,,,,,,,Bass???? if I am forgive me. I use most of my Walleye rods for smallmouth also, so maybe that makes me compliant?? I wont discuss my pike and Muskie gear. or trout and panfish, or the ones I use with the grandkids in the river for carp, catfish, sucker,,,,,,,,and as J Francho pointed out it is my opinion and WHY no one said these other companies don't make quality rods for bass, do they make better??????????????????? I am of the opinion that with St. Croix I can have the best of anything for anything all from one manufacturer. But my main point was the quality of their best rods is matched by their CS,,,,,,,,,,,,as good as it gets!!! But I am open to other options, thats how I bought my first St. Croix, and I was told they were tops, to find out I didn't buy there less than top of the line rod and expect it to perform like the best,,,,,,,,,,I haven't looked back, and 14 years later after beating the dog crap out of it and using for species and tactics it wasn't designed for, I am being rewarded with a brand new one for difference in the price of the two rods!! thats less than 4 bucks a year!!! I love it.
derekxec Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 idk about everyone else but targeting just bass gets boring and we use bass rods for targeting snook in the offseasons... really i mix rods if i like the action of a rod made for one species ill use it for whatever im targeting... if it fits the bait im using i dont even bother to see what species the rods are made for 1
Koofy Smacker Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Fact: Best is subjective! Fact: The United States of America and is part of the New World GLOBAL ECONOMY, buying 100% American made is not necessarily better for the U.S.A. economy than buying X product from X company that provides X amount of Americans with jobs. Opinion: Megabass > Lake Fork Composites > St. Croix > Loomis > Dobyns > Batson I enjoy the thread and it shows the PASSION of the forum. I am glad that we live in such a great country with such a high standard of living that we can "argue" and "debate" this! Im curious as to your opinion part. What is it based on? If its rods, then how are north fork composites and batson even on the list since they do not even produce production rods. As of now only blanks
Super User .RM. Posted May 22, 2013 Super User Posted May 22, 2013 This is a bass forum... hence the name. Talking about rods that are suited to other species is irrelevant. That is what other forums would be for. People who join this site are looking for information about all aspects of bass fishing and aren't looking here for a source of trout or walleye info or any other species for that matter. Dobyns and Megabass are only a few of many companies ONLY targetting bass anglers. Nothing wrong with having a refined target market. From my understanding this isn't a multi species forum. No sir it is a resource site has many forums, this thread is located in the Fishing Rods, Reels, Line, and Knots forum Located inside of the bass recource web site.........
skeletor6 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Let's use something called common sense. Bob is not going to listen to anything anybody has to say. He has yet to acknowledge how iabass8 is a liar, yet to back up how everyone is twisting facts. Has not read Sam's posting about G.Loomis' warranty program, but is quick to make assumptions about it. Also, if a company only targets the bass fishing community then they are now incompetent/inferior products in their targeted range. This forum is called BASSresource, I would find it safe to claim that most people are looking for information about Bass rods/reels/lines. Is it okay to talk about it? Sure why not, but don't shoot down a BASS rod manufacturers at a BASS forum for making BASS equipment Bob keeps bouncing arguments around as other members offer suggestions to the contrary of what he claims and believes. Most people have rods made from multiple manufacturers, because they are open to the idea that not one company makes the best rod for every technique, person, condition, boat, etc. St. Croix makes some good stuff, but they do not have the best rod for everything. They may attempt to make a rod for everything, but if someone is looking for NRX sensitivity from a St. Croix....sorry they don't have it. If someone is looking for the ingenuity, rarity, and aesthetics that Megabass offers, then Sorry St. Croix does not offer it. St. Croix is not the kings of everything and that is not a knock at their company it is a characteristic of every company. Not one company dominates the Bass market and that what makes evaluating options between different manufacturers so interesting. To Bob St. Croix is the best at everything....okay we get it already. The only useful information you contributed to the community is your experience with St. Croix's customer service. People can take from that and learn something. The rest is just bloated rants often targeted at other individuals who are offering valid points and opinions. Notice how others can get their ideas across without gigantic font, all caps, bolded and a copious amount of question marks? 9
skeletor6 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 No sir it is a resource site has many forums, this thread is located in the Fishing Rods, Reels, Line, and Knots forum Located inside of the bass recource web site......... Nice try, Fishing Rods, Reels Line and Knots is a Subcategory of "Bass Boats and Fishing Equipment"....subcategories encompass the main category. Since the main category clearly states Bass, then the subcategory is for bass as well. 3
baluga Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Pretty entertaining thread..got to post before it goes south and locked. 2
wnybassman Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 All I use is St. Croix now, and have for a few years. I've never been much of an equipment junkie, and I always got along with just about anything I have ever used. I have 4 LTBs, 3 Avids, 1 Mojo and at least a dozen Premiers. I like them all. I really have no plans of trying anything else, because to me there is no reason to. They are very rugged, and put up with a lot of abuse, and keep on ticking. I only broke one when a rod locker lid came down on it, and lost a couple guides, likely due to my young son (and me) standing on them over the years. I've never had to deal with the customer service, but hear they are great. lol I know there are a lot of other companies, and I am sure they all offer great products as well. I just like keeping things fairly simple.
Super User ww2farmer Posted May 23, 2013 Super User Posted May 23, 2013 That's it !!! I am done with St Croix, I can't be associated with the likes of wnybassman..................errrrr................I mean Capt. Bob.
jerzeeD Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 It took me 30 minutes of my life to read all of this....I have gained absolutely nothing from it. Zilch. Squat. Zero. I really do want my 30 minutes back. There is my opinion. 2
thehooligan Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Let's use something called common sense. Bob is not going to listen to anything anybody has to say. He has yet to acknowledge how iabass8 is a liar, yet to back up how everyone is twisting facts. Has not read Sam's posting about G.Loomis' warranty program, but is quick to make assumptions about it. Also, if a company only targets the bass fishing community then they are now incompetent/inferior products in their targeted range. This forum is called BASSresource, I would find it safe to claim that most people are looking for information about Bass rods/reels/lines. Is it okay to talk about it? Sure why not, but don't shoot down a BASS rod manufacturers at a BASS forum for making BASS equipment Bob keeps bouncing arguments around as other members offer suggestions to the contrary of what he claims and believes. Most people have rods made from multiple manufacturers, because they are open to the idea that not one company makes the best rod for every technique, person, condition, boat, etc. St. Croix makes some good stuff, but they do not have the best rod for everything. They may attempt to make a rod for everything, but if someone is looking for NRX sensitivity from a St. Croix....sorry they don't have it. If someone is looking for the ingenuity, rarity, and aesthetics that Megabass offers, then Sorry St. Croix does not offer it. St. Croix is not the kings of everything and that is not a knock at their company it is a characteristic of every company. Not one company dominates the Bass market and that what makes evaluating options between different manufacturers so interesting. To Bob St. Croix is the best at everything....okay we get it already. The only useful information you contributed to the community is your experience with St. Croix's customer service. People can take from that and learn something. The rest is just bloated rants often targeted at other individuals who are offering valid points and opinions. Notice how others can get their ideas across without gigantic font, all caps, bolded and a copious amount of question marks? Best post of the thread, now let's lock it up.
MichiganFishing1997 Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Is it just me or is he just arguing that St. Croix has the best selection of rods at this point? I'm confused. I love St. Croix too, but just because they have 1,000 different rods doesn't mean they're the best. It would be easy to argue that a company specifying in fishing for a certain species may exceed the other general purpose company. To me they're isn't even anything to argue any more; nor are there any more points to be made. Everyone has they're own opinion and to all their own. Personally, I love trying new things and having a variety, others like consistency and using what they already have proven works for them. Oh and P.S. Please tell me you've realized by now that your not going to get any of your points through his thick skull. Lol
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