Chris Wilson Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 Hey guys. I disassembled and cleaned up my shimano chronarch 201E6. I used quantum hotsauce reel grease and oil on it, cleaned it all up. The drag washer (BNT2431) was shedding all over the inside of the reel. The drag washer between the anti reverse ratchet and drive gear is fine, slight dust, but nothing that concerned me. Still had deep texture. The one between the key washer and the drive gear is the one that was in poor shape, and i also accidentally bent it. So i ordered a new one. The drag washers don't require grease, correct? I didn't grease the one which i'm not replacing, as it was dry to begin with. Quote
baluga Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 Those dartanium drags or stock drags needs to be greased to work effectively and smooth. Grease them with CALs grease. The only drag washers that is sometimes recommended running dry is the carbontex drag washers. Quote
Chris Wilson Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 Yes, the rear one was a carbontex.It had no lubricant on it to begin with. Quote
Chris Wilson Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 The one between the anti reverse ratchet and drive gear is textured like a grinding wheel you would use for metal, and the one which I'm replacing as far as I can tell is smooth. Quote
Chris Wilson Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 I know the rear one is a carbontex. The one I'm replacing I'm guessing is also. It's part BNT2431. Quote
Maico1 Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 CarbonTex are textured...It sounds like you have a smooth and a carbontex mixed. If you are are looking to get the most out of the drag you should have both carbontex. You can call Dawn at Smooth Drag and order them up there....http://www.smoothdrag.com Quote
Chris Wilson Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 Whatever came stock with the chronarch is what I have. You are probably right on the mix. Do I grease the new one with my hot sauce grease or install it as it is from the package? It's already on its way so ill switch it out next time around. Quote
Maico1 Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 Stock reel should have two Dartainium drag washers....here is a image of Dartainium http://www.mcssl.com/content/172131/Shimano_Drag_Washers/bnt3915...JPG Here is a image of CarbonTex....... http://www.boatflyer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Freshwater%20Reels%20for%20sale-2129152811016709600.jpg Again you should be matching your drag washers either two Dartainium or two CarbonTex. Shimano Star Drag Grease is what I use and would recommend. Dartainium should get a light coat of grease. For CarbonTex I take a model paint brush with a very very small dab and then coat it. It should be so little you do not think it is covering it,just so there is enough to lube it....There are others that use Cals grease and do not lube CarbonTex so you will have to sort that out for yourself. Quote
Super User .RM. Posted May 9, 2013 Super User Posted May 9, 2013 Whatever came stock with the chronarch is what I have. You are probably right on the mix. Do I grease the new one with my hot sauce grease or install it as it is from the package? It's already on its way so ill switch it out next time around. Chris, Did you by the reel used? The reason I ask is there shouldn't have been a mix on the drag pads I wouldn't grease anything in that reel with Hot Sauce, especially the drag pads..... As stated Dartainium pads do not get any lubrication. The Carbontex pads can be run dry or lubricated (as stated on the packageing). Use either Shimanos drag grease or Cals Drag/Gear grease... Good Luck & Tight Lines! Quote
Chris Wilson Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 I lubed my entire reel with hot sauce oil And grease, I believe you sent it to me actually. I bought the reel brand new, it's the 201E6. The washer that sits in the drive gear was like the old layered washers in older reels, almost like a thick cardboard. It was the color of lead when I pulled it out, and there were flakes of it in the reel. Quote
Maico1 Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 Chris, Did you by the reel used? The reason I ask is there shouldn't have been a mix on the drag pads I wouldn't grease anything in that reel with Hot Sauce, especially the drag pads..... As stated Dartainium pads do not get any lubrication. The Carbontex pads can be run dry or lubricated (as stated on the packageing). Use either Shimanos drag grease or Cals Drag/Gear grease... Good Luck & Tight Lines! RM, Interesting always thought they got a light coat of drag grease, you say no. Quote
Chris Wilson Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 That is odd. Just saw the post above yours. Mine is a mixture of carbontex and dartanium. The one which broke is dartanium, the one behind it is carbontex. But yes. The reel was brand new, never opened from shimano. Quote
Maico1 Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 That is odd. Just saw the post above yours. Mine is a mixture of carbontex and dartanium. The one which broke is dartanium, the one behind it is carbontex. But yes. The reel was brand new, never opened from shimano. Must be an experimental reel........ Quote
Chris Wilson Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 Is the only reason you all don't recommend hot sauce in a shimano due to warranty? I service my reels myself so I don't worry about warranty. The reel is going on two and I just cleaned it! I had good results with hot sauce in my other reels, and it's what I had. And are you guys positive my reel shouldn't have that carbontex washer in it? The hot sauce won't ruin anything internally right? Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 9, 2013 Super User Posted May 9, 2013 Must be an experimental reel........ No, Chronarch E series come from the factory with a carbon matrix (not Carbontex brand) washer under the drive gear, and a Dartanium washer under the keyed waqsher. The carbon matrix washer should be installed dry, while the dartanium washer runs best with a vapor thin coating of drag grease. If you bend or break the dartanium washer, I recommend replacing with a Smooth Drags Carbontex washer for durability. Install it dry for power, or cold weather use, and greased for ultimate smoothness at initial break away. Quote
Maico1 Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 I just ordered some drag grease from Shimano and asked that question about the warranty being voided with the sauce and they told me no. It is supposed to come with two Dartainium Drag Washers, so how you got both is a mystery to me. My concern is you have two different styles of washers so you are not getting the max performance. Just order a set of CarbonTex and call it a day ....... Quote
Maico1 Posted May 9, 2013 Posted May 9, 2013 No, Chronarch E series come from the factory with a carbon matrix (not Carbontex brand) washer under the drive gear, and a Dartanium washer under the keyed waqsher. The carbon matrix washer should be installed dry, while the dartanium washer runs best with a vapor thin coating of drag grease. If you bend or break the dartanium washer, I recommend replacing with a Smooth Drags Carbontex washer for durability. Install it dry for power, or cold weather use, and greased for ultimate smoothness at initial break away. Thanks John for clearing that up....What was the purpose of that. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 9, 2013 Super User Posted May 9, 2013 The washer behind the drive gear on the Curado E series was that stamp cut teflon crap, and grease would spatter, and it could get sticky. My guess is that the carbon matrix was a quick, inexpensive solution to that problem. Quote
Chris Wilson Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 Ok. So now that that's cleared up, my reel isn't a Frankenstein lol. I did a good job soaking my bearings and cleaning the whole reel thoroughly with a toothbrush and such. All oil reel and oil it gone. Put a drop of hot sauce oil in each bearing, and hot sauce grease on all gears, and I prefer grease on my worm gear, so please don't try and tell me otherwise. When it finally goes I switch to oil, don't ask lol. Anyways, I should be good right? I don't want 15 different brand reel products to have to keep around. And you said shimano doesn't void warranty if using hot sauce? I know it shouldn't be mixed with other grease or oil, so that's why I thoroughly cleaned it. It was raining and I had nothing better to do. Good thing too, no grease was left in the reel! Just pond scum. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 9, 2013 Super User Posted May 9, 2013 Sounds good, everything except the hot sauce, lol. We'll leave that debate for another day. 2 Quote
Chris Wilson Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 Personal preference not fact? Lol. But I'm fine to throw a thin film of hot sauce on the dartanium washer, slap the reel together and call it a day, right? Quote
Super User .RM. Posted May 9, 2013 Super User Posted May 9, 2013 Personal preference not fact? Lol. But I'm fine to throw a thin film of hot sauce on the dartanium washer, slap the reel together and call it a day, right? Sure can and the next time you open up the reel everything inside will be stained RED........ Quote
Chris Wilson Posted May 9, 2013 Author Posted May 9, 2013 I don't mind, it's not like i look at the inside of my reel lol. As long as it works, i'm fine with it. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 9, 2013 Super User Posted May 9, 2013 Personal preference not fact? Lol. But I'm fine to throw a thin film of hot sauce on the dartanium washer, slap the reel together and call it a day, right? I would NOT put gear grease on the drag. Get some Shimano Star Drag grease or Cal's. Quote
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