Lews Bb1 Vs Tourney Pro For Deep Cranks

[katmandew]

The difference is the no instant anti-reverse on the bb1. I'm losing a lot of walleye this year and I can't tell what the problem is. I've always used a MH fast action rod with 12lb mono to crank deep runners for walleye. Never lost as many as I am losing is year. I tried going from a crank bait rod with moderate tip back to mh/fast rod, back to cb rod with Fluoro. Something still isn't right. Only difference left to look at is the reel. Last year I used a 6.4:1 reel with instant anti reverse. This year went to 5.1:1 Lews BB1. Thinking of trying the TP in a 5.1:1. Any opinions on how the TP in 5:1 handles deep cranks compared against the bb1? Would the instant anti reverse be causing bad hook ups?

[retiredbosn]

The dual pawl anti reverse on the BB1 is to improve hook up, the reel designed by David Fritz for BPS had the same design. I really liked mine and wish I never sold it. I would suspect dull hooks, especially if the crankbait has been used for awhile. The BB1 is supposed to cast father than any other Lew's so going to a Tournament Pro may sacrifice casting distance.

[katmandew]

Brand new plugs and even changed out hooks to new gamakatsu hooks. I don't use the factory hooks bandit puts on them. The bend too easily. The gamakatsu trebles don't do that. Hooks are sharp. Not worried about distance. How is the bb1 anti reverse supposed to help with hook ups?

[retiredbosn]

Delayed/Softer hook set, to keep the angler from pulling the bait out of the fish's mouth. That's the idea anyway, its important with multi-stop anti-reverse that you let the rod load up, the fish hooks itself. If not you may be inadvertently pulling the lure out. By this I mean the rod is gaining momentum before the reel catches and instead of a smooth hook set, the bait gets a sudden pull as the reel catches and you're swinging the rod back.

[averagebass123]

What is anti-reverse???

[katmandew]

  On 5/5/2013 at 10:12 PM, retiredbosn said:

Delayed/Softer hook set, to keep the angler from pulling the bait out of the fish's mouth. That's the idea anyway, its important with multi-stop anti-reverse that you let the rod load up, the fish hooks itself. If not you may be inadvertently pulling the lure out. By this I mean the rod is gaining momentum before the reel catches and instead of a smooth hook set, the bait gets a sudden pull as the reel catches and you're swinging the rod back.

Maybe the softer hookset is my problem. I've had no problem with the bass. Havent lost any bass that has hit the same plug/rod/reel combo. Wondering if the hooks are even getting set into the walleye at all. They are not hitting it as hard as the bass are. I'm not swinging back with the rod. The walleye is hitting the plug then I feel him rolling. they don't use head turns like bass, they roll like a gar would and I think since the hook isn't getting buried, they are rolling it out.

[hatrix]

I use a Lews bb1 with braided line for throwing swimbaits and  it works great.

[flippin and pitchin]

Okay, i'm going to unzip my fly. I have several original Lews BB1N's. No instant anti-reverse. I had some hook up issues with this series over 26 years while using graphite rods. I made the switch to glass cranking rods about 8 years ago and saw my ratio improve and landed ratio significantly improve. I retired my Lews and moved to Revo Winches. Instant anti reverse in play. No changes. The rod has more impact than the Lews reel design in my opinion. I have two new generation Lews BB1 reels. I feel the bait very well, love the ergonomics, smoothness and they cast very well. I am however not convinced that the delayed anti reverse is as big a deal as Fritz would imply and I am a fan of Lews baitcasters.

The 5.4 to 1 TP is 23 IPT and the BB1 is 5.1 to 1 with 21 IPT. Both deal with the resistence of a deep diver very well. I plan on staying with the BB1 for most cranking regardless.

[retiredbosn]

  On 5/5/2013 at 11:09 PM, averagebass123 said:

What is anti-reverse???

Anti-reverse is what keeps your handle and spool from rotating backwards and letting out line during hookset and playing the fish.

[rubba bubba]

My understanding in talking with Fritz a few years ago about the non-instant anti-reverse was it gives the deep cranker better feel of what the crankbait is doing underwater.  He never mentioned anything about softer-better hook-ups.  However I'm old and could have forgotten/missed that part.

[retiredbosn]

  On 5/6/2013 at 5:45 PM, rubba bubba said:

My understanding in talking with Fritz a few years ago about the non-instant anti-reverse was it gives the deep cranker better feel of what the crankbait is doing underwater. He never mentioned anything about softer-better hook-ups. However I'm old and could have forgotten/missed that part.

I remember that part too, now. If enough members with bad memories chime in we may get the whole story, lol.

[katmandew]

  On 5/6/2013 at 5:31 AM, flippin and pitchin said:

Okay, i'm going to unzip my fly. I have several original Lews BB1N's. No instant anti-reverse. I had some hook up issues with this series over 26 years while using graphite rods. I made the switch to glass cranking rods about 8 years ago and saw my ratio improve and landed ratio significantly improve. I retired my Lews and moved to Revo Winches. Instant anti reverse in play. No changes. The rod has more impact than the Lews reel design in my opinion. I have two new generation Lews BB1 reels. I feel the bait very well, love the ergonomics, smoothness and they cast very well. I am however not convinced that the delayed anti reverse is as big a deal as Fritz would imply and I am a fan of Lews baitcasters.The 5.4 to 1 TP is 23 IPT and the BB1 is 5.1 to 1 with 21 IPT. Both deal with the resistence of a deep diver very well. I plan on staying with the BB1 for most cranking regardless.

The puzzling thing is that I'm using a glass cb rod. Last year I wasn't and didn't have this problem, though I tried moving the bb1 to my old bionic blade mh/F and it didn't help, so went back to the glass rod. No problems with the bass, but the walleye are coming unbuttoned. They do seem to be hitting it lighter than usual this year so I hope that's all it is.

[Capt.Bob]

  On 5/7/2013 at 4:27 AM, katmandew said:

The puzzling thing is that I'm using a glass cb rod. Last year I wasn't and didn't have this problem, though I tried moving the bb1 to my old bionic blade mh/F and it didn't help, so went back to the glass rod. No problems with the bass, but the walleye are coming unbuttoned. They do seem to be hitting it lighter than usual this year so I hope that's all it is.

I have never had them fight like that for me, I have never had them roll on the hook set here, the Walleye in our waters always seem to be just a little slower with the head shakes, less shakes and more deliberate at a slower,,,,left,,,,,,,right,,,,,,left than the Bass, and more like trying to stay down than comming up or jumping and giving the more eratic and quicker headshakes of the Bass. But they do have a much boneyer mout and requier a harder hook set than I have noticed with Bass. 

[katmandew]

They don't roll on the hook set. They roll after. It's how they fight. They don't fight like a bass. Maybe northern walleye don't do that, but I've seen them rolling like a gar many times down here when you get them up to the top. The 5-6 lb and up will roll and roll hard. We can't grab them up under the gill down here. They are flat out mean and that gill plate will slice your hand like a razor blade when they go to flopping as you handle them. You better net them and use boga grips or gloves. Maybe it's because it's warmer here and they are not as lethargic, don't know. I've seen walleye videos made on northern lakes and they act like they are in a coma compared to how they act here. Maybe those are the fish you are describing. Those here are raised in hatcheries and stocked yearly because natural reproduction occurs at a very low rate in our lake. Maybe genetics plays a role as well. Who knows.

[Capt.Bob]

Yep on Lake Erie we had to use nets, the boats we fish in don't allow you to reach over the side and grab anything unless your holding on to something, but for 40 years during the Walleye run when wading the turbid Maumee river I have never used a net, but with all the teeth and as you mentioned the gill plate, you learn real quick to grab em with authority!! ;

 

The point I was making is with the boneier than bass mouth, I use MM or MHM cranking rods for bass, I use MF or MHF crankin for Walleye, and I don't use anything but braid, with a short leader(6 to 12 feet). I like the fact that it doesn't stretch and I have a stiff enough rod to drive the hooks home, no fear of tearing them out once there buried in that boney mouth. If I am throwing jigs, crawler harness, weight forward spinners and general rigging I prefer a MXF rod action, or long lineing I want a MHF. What I am saying is if your hooking up good on the bass, your using the right rigg, but don't expect a one rod fits all for bass and Walleye. One thing I think I always do when I get a strike on anything is reel hard as I jerk to set the hook with even more authority, I think this has cost me some hookups on Bass and why I went to moderate actions as most of my fishing has been Walleye and Pike over the years and habits are hard to change, and a lot of anchored Perch'n. But I would get the other reel anyway, if it isn't the cure, it will be a nice addition to your arsenal!!

[katmandew]

I see what you are saying. Good points. I've always used the MHF on them, prob should switch back, but I tried it one night last week and lost 2 of 3 that I had on. Also talked with another angler and found out he was catching several in the tail. We think they could be coming up from under our plug and swiping at it and hitting it with their tail. Makes sense because if hooked in the tail they could easily roll that out. I think it's these fish that are coming off. Those that hit the plug with the mouth are the ones we are catching.

[stkbassn]

  On 5/6/2013 at 2:22 AM, hatrix said:

I use a Lews bb1 with braided line for throwing swimbaits and  it works great.

X2..this has just become my swimbait reel.....AWESOME!!!!