averagebass123 Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 How the heck do you get this thing out? I don't want to bend the spool. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 3, 2013 Super User Posted May 3, 2013 You don't remove it, at least not without special tools. Quote
TiNuts Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 I just use a regular pair of pliers wrapped in electrical tape. I **** them just enough to not pinch the pin on both sides. A solid steady squeeze will get it started, then I just pull it out with needle nose pliers (also wrapped with tape). It will probably be frowned upon but it has worked for me. I haven't bent/broken anything. I will eventually drill a hole or something to make them proper. If it's an old and/or rusted reel, I wouldn't necessarily try this without soaking it in your favorite penetrant first. Quote
Maico1 Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 I would highly recommend a pair of these.......http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-inventory/21933/fishingspoolpinpliers-tools Quote
Capt.Bob Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 I just use a regular pair of pliers wrapped in electrical tape. it has worked for me. I haven't bent/broken anything. YET!! Just a matter of time, very bad advice!! I don't know any reliable reel tech that would suggest this. In time you will be replacing parts, the pin or the spool one,,,,,,,in time. 1 Quote
TiNuts Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 I don't think so. Buying a $40 set of pliers to use them once is silly. If one is going to do it on a regular basis, sure. I've been using this method for a few years now on several reels (and several other applications where I've needed to remove pins) with zero problem, and I don't see how you could bend a spool shaft this way. If you can show me where someone has bent their shaft this way, I will be happy to edit my posts. Quote
Capt.Bob Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 I don't think so. Buying a $40 set of pliers to use them once is silly. If one is going to do it on a regular basis, sure. I've been using this method for a few years now on several reels (and several other applications where I've needed to remove pins) with zero problem, and I don't see how you could bend a spool shaft this way. If you can show me where someone has bent their shaft this way, I will be happy to edit my posts. Over 20 years ago when I started servicing reels as part of my services I thought just like you!!! It will happen! Or if what you say is true and you just do it once, you may get away with it, I don't understand to do it once,,,,,,,for several years,,,,,,???????? Quote
Super User .RM. Posted May 4, 2013 Super User Posted May 4, 2013 I don't think so. Buying a $40 set of pliers to use them once is silly. If one is going to do it on a regular basis, sure. I've been using this method for a few years now on several reels (and several other applications where I've needed to remove pins) with zero problem, and I don't see how you could bend a spool shaft this way. If you can show me where someone has bent their shaft this way, I will be happy to edit my posts. Not looking for you to EDIT your posts. ..... But yes I have seen this procedure go very worng. Gripping a engagement pin with standard pliers will place the worng angle pressure on the pin and can cause the bend in the spool shaft. It doesn't take much a small +/- change in the angle/tolerance's of the shaft and your done. Not only did the owner of the reel bend the spool shaft and outer edges of the spool race, but the engagement pin and then went ahead and used a file to work on the spool shaft. It only takes once.... Good Luck & Tight Lines! Quote
Super User OkobojiEagle Posted May 4, 2013 Super User Posted May 4, 2013 Hey, come on guys... nothing a newly purchased spool/shaft/bearing assembly can't fix. You guys make it sound like the end of the world. oe 1 Quote
BobP Posted May 4, 2013 Posted May 4, 2013 I've been fishing Shimano reels with the trapped bearing on the spool shaft for decades and I've never removed one. Strip off the line and clean/relube the bearing in situ. Why take a chance on ruining your reel? Quote
Super User .RM. Posted May 5, 2013 Super User Posted May 5, 2013 Hey, come on guys... nothing a newly purchased spool/shaft/bearing assembly can't fix. You guys make it sound like the end of the world. oe When it is the $50.00 - $60.00 or so to replace the spool screwed up bearings and gears, and you don't have the coin. It fast becomes the end of the world.... A good rule of thumb to follow. If you have never opened up a reel to service then don't. unless you have someone with the education/knowledge to back you up with support...... Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted May 5, 2013 Super User Posted May 5, 2013 When it is the $50.00 - $60.00 or so to replace the spool screwed up bearings and gears, and you don't have the coin. It fast becomes the end of the world.... Ooooooo A good rule of thumb to follow. If you have never opened up a reel to service then don't. unless you have someone with the education/knowledge to back you up with support...... If no one had the nerve to try something they had never done before, nothing would EVER get done.I bet Mike had to service his first reel before there would ever had been a second one. It's great to have someone to instruct you, but that's not always possible. I have tackled a lot of jobs for the first time. Matter of fact, anything I ever did, I had to do it the first time. Sure, I have had some dismal failures, but also a lot of successes. Hootie 1 Quote
Capt.Bob Posted May 5, 2013 Posted May 5, 2013 If no one had the nerve to try something they had never done before, nothing would EVER get done. I bet Mike had to service his first reel before there would ever had been a second one. It's great to have someone to instruct you, but that's not always possible. I have tackled a lot of jobs for the first time. Matter of fact, anything I ever did, I had to do it the first time. Sure, I have had some dismal failures, but also a lot of successes. Hootie You should remember one thing I myself as well as RM, Francho, Mike, and others who service reels all did it the first time also, and I will assure you we had advice!! and I for one didn't open up a 200 dollar reel for my maiden journey into reel upgrades and super tunes. I agree there is nothing wrong with learning how to take care of your own equipment, but most that become succesful at it usually relized it was better to take some advice from those that had been there done that, than think there is nothing to it and end up like M.R. explained with a handfull of junk and a 60 to 100 dollar parts purchase, on top of the parts you purchased to do the job you new nothing about in the first place!!! trust me,,,,,,,a $40.00 dollar pair of center pin plyers is a cheap investment if you want to do this job, to think any different is simply lack of experience and pi-- poor advice,,,,,,,,please don't ask how I KNOW!!!!! Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted May 5, 2013 Super User Posted May 5, 2013 I wasn't reffering to that advice. That is excellent advice. Get proper instruction, use the proper tools. And I might add, learn to use that tool properly. The advice I was commenting on was,(and I hear it over and over), let someone else do it, let someone else do it. I guess I have always been a do it yourself person. And a few times I have learned, let someone else do it, but at least I tried. I didn't like the thought of having to pay someone to repair my first computer, so I learned, by reading and and CAREFULLY tinkering on my own, that computers aren't as fragile as I was lead to believe. I have since built, and sold a couple hundred (literally) computers. Would have never happened if I had just "let someone else do it". So, for the point I was trying to make, I stand by my **ss poor advice. Hootie Quote
TylerVC Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Buy the special pliers or don't mess with the bearing. I tried to do it with needle nose and marred the spool shaft. I had to get a replacement spool to make my reel fishable again. Luckily, lews gave me a spool for free, but it would have cost $40 if they didn't charge me. Quote
Super User .ghoti. Posted May 6, 2013 Super User Posted May 6, 2013 I have the Hedgehog Studios spool pin tool. Best money I've ever spent on a specialized tool. Spool pin pliers, such as the Boca version, are fine. The Hedgehog tool is better. 2 Quote
Quitlimpin Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 I agree with Ghoti. The hedgehog tool is really nice and super easy to use. Quote
gr8outdoorz Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 I would highly recommend a pair of these.......http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-inventory/21933/fishingspoolpinpliers-tools Get these! You will not regret it! Once you have the right tools, you will want to flush/oil your bearings more as you see how much easier casting becomes. Quote
craww Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Been using a set of pliers I modified for about 5 years now...duckbill linemans pliers with a notch I carved out with the grinder; works perfect and a fraction of the price. 2 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 7, 2013 Super User Posted May 7, 2013 That works. You could also add a dimple on the other side to help keep the pin centered. I assume you have a punch and some kind of jig to get the pin out the rest of the way? Quote
craww Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Not necessary. I glued felt to the tips of the same pliers. The tapered pin is already out quite a bit, an easy pull STRAIGHT out does the trick. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 7, 2013 Super User Posted May 7, 2013 You haven't run into a Daiwa or Shimano.... Quote
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