scrutch Posted May 18, 2010 Posted May 18, 2010 80lb braid is the same diameter equivalent of 20lb mono. I point this out due to the fact that I throw my Hardgills on 20lb CXX. Just sayin'... this brings up another question.... why wouldn't you use 80lb braid instead? It seems to me that it would be a lot less likely to break off a $55 lure. Just askin'... Quote
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted May 19, 2010 Super User Posted May 19, 2010 80lb braid is the same diameter equivalent of 20lb mono. I point this out due to the fact that I throw my Hardgills on 20lb CXX. Just sayin'... this brings up another question.... why wouldn't you use 80lb braid instead? It seems to me that it would be a lot less likely to break off a $55 lure. Just askin'... I fish from a boat. Not an issue to go get it unstuck. I use braid to throw some topwaters, but have seen no need for braid in sinking baits. I guess visibility and rocky structure make me shy away. 20lb CXX is some crazy strong stuff. Trust me, I have gone wading for some of my stuff. I absolutely HATE to lose baits. You will seriously like and catch fish with the Hardgill. If you throw it and don't like it, people will buy it from you very quickly. As far as losing it, maybe on a backlash/line snap. The way I fish the SS gill, it is very unlikely to hang up. I usually burn and rip it over weeds or on the weed line. Quote
Mattlures Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 I honestly dont think I have ever lost a Hardgill. I have lost plenty of the soft ones though. I fish them in all kinds of bad stuff. I know this aint going to change any minds but If your worried about loosing an expensive bait get a floating one. They are a lot harder to loose. Quote
gobig Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 These are baits that won't break the bank and they work. You will be able to work all of the water column with different types of presentations. Breaking in to swimbaiting is expensive. It would be easy to drop $600 on 10 baits. You can purchase all 10 of these baits for less than $250. 1. You should have a good wake bait that can be fished real slow and pushes a lot of water. I would go with a OP minnow. 2-3. Next you should have a good walk the dog bait. I would get 2 injected punkers one with rattles and one with out. 4-6. The BBZ 1 6" in all three sink rates. Because the OP minnow is kind of a one trick pony it is to your advantage to have a floater that can do more than just be slow rolled. Watch the BBZ videos. http://thebbz.com/video.html Bill explains how all three baits can be used. 7-8. Weedless hud in ROF 5 & 12. These baits have a much more subtle action then the BBZ's and can be fished in heavy cover. 9. Shell cracker G2 by black dog baits. This is a great bluegill bait. It can be fished on top or like a crank bait. 10. And last but not least Mattlures hardgill in slow sink. Unless you have a fat bank roll this list should give you a good foundation to get started. You can always up grade as you go. Plus you should be able to throw all of these baits on standard tackle. Hope this helps. Quote
gobig Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 These are baits that won't break the bank and they work. You will be able to work all of the water column with different types of presentations. Breaking in to swimbaiting is expensive. It would be easy to drop $600 on 10 baits. You can purchase all 10 of these baits for less than $250. 1. You should have a good wake bait that can be fished real slow and pushes a lot of water. I would go with a OP minnow. 2-3. Next you should have a good walk the dog bait. I would get 2 injected punkers one with rattles and one with out. 4-6. The BBZ 1 6" in all three sink rates. Because the OP minnow is kind of a one trick pony it is to your advantage to have a floater that can do more than just be slow rolled. Watch the BBZ videos. http://thebbz.com/video.html Bill explains how all three baits can be used. 7-8. Weedless hud in ROF 5 & 12. These baits have a much more subtle action then the BBZ's and can be fished in heavy cover. 9. Shell cracker G2 by black dog baits. This is a great bluegill bait. It can be fished on top or like a crank bait. 10. And last but not least Mattlures hardgill in slow sink. Unless you have a fat bank roll this list should give you a good foundation to get started. You can always up grade as you go. Plus you should be able to throw all of these baits on standard tackle. Hope this helps. Quote
Hornytoad 10 Posted May 21, 2010 Author Posted May 21, 2010 Thank you guys for all of your suggestions, i really appreciate it! Quote
scrutch Posted May 22, 2010 Posted May 22, 2010 yeah, an informative thread. I'm learning a lot, and you guys are changing my mind a little. I think I could see some slowsink hardgills in my future. Ehh... what the heck... I love scuba diving anyway! ;D : Quote
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