Cowboys Draft....aaagggghhhh!

[shootermcbob]

Once again, the cowboys have managed to completely mangle any chance of improving their football team. They have selected a player most had ranked as a second round pick, many a third round talent...with their first round pick.

They passsed on several players... to add the 13th pick in the third round...that would have immediately helped their team. the cowboys traded their 18th pick for the niners 31st pick, and gained pick 74.

 

players passed on included Sharif Floyd, and Justin Pugh. Both of whom I believe will be starters...and good to very good players for ten years in the NFL.

 

 

Did I mention that Travis Frederick...the player the cowboys picked....ran a 5.66 forty? That is unbelievably slow, and top that off with the fact that he showed poorly in all the drills and other measurables at the combine.

 

WHY?

 

Let it be known that both head coach Jason Garrett and scouting director Tom Ciskowski both reacted VERY negatively in the draft room to the announced trade down. OBVIOUSLY, neither the coach or head scout were on board with this pick.

 

Even in the offseason, the Cowboys and their joke of a GM manage to ruin my day. Reminds me of watching them play on Sunday. I think I am gonna have to start watching soccer.

[Sam]

Never give up!

 

Somebody saw something in the player.

 

Each team has its needs. That is why no running backs were taken in the first round. Last time that happened was in 1963.

 

Linemen are the focus so far.

 

Let's wait until the draft is over to rate this year's draft class.

[Raider Nation Fisher]

Least it ain't us anymore. Since Al died we are improving.

Oh and as for bad picks. Hmmm. Slowlando McClain, JaWalrus, Hey-Ward Bet, that's just a couple of our first rounders from a few years back. Can't complain to much. Y'all could have had the sizurp drinking Walrus on your team.

[craww]

Jerry definitely outsmarted himself on this one. I understand the logic at least on trading out of that spot, the way the board fell in picks 8-17 all the guys who would have been a fit were gone. I looked at who was a available at 18 and it wasnt much. I don't think Floyd's going to amount to much, he'll be in a good situation and see some single blocking in minnesota, but lets not forget he's only occasionally flashed potential. he gets blown off the ball and washed out laterally quite a bit. DT's seem to have a higher bust rate than other positions.

It would have been awesome if Sylvester Williams out of UNC fell but he get picked up 2 picks in front of us. Don't like the Frederick pick at all, Romo is at his worst with pressure up the middle. Lets draft a center who struggles with that who would've been there in rd 3...ugh. Had they got SF's 2nd it would have been a good deal, but alas they didn't. Did you notice they submitted the trade super early? What was the big rush?

[shootermcbob]

Sam, I have been a fan since 1969. I am also very much a realist. It is PAINFULLY obvious that until Jerry kicks off, or hands off the reins to Stephen, that the cowboys are never again going to join the NFL's elite.

 

Changing from the 3-4 defense to the 4-3 defense makes absolutely no sense, other than you hired a coach who HAD success with the scheme...10 years ago. Key point....we don't have the players to play the 4-3...we have been adding 3-4 type players for 7 years. Some will transition, others will not.

 

The draft has long been a sore spot with not only me, but most true, educated cowboys fans. They have a mediocre team, and until things CHANGE, I can't see it improving.

 

It is actually better to be awful, than mediocre. When you are awful, you at least draft early in every round. WAIT, did someone say trade down?

 

Thanks for the kind words and positive message. I still root for them every Sunday, but they sure don't make it easy.

[Teal]

Not a Cowboys fan, but lets just wait and see what the kid does.

I was stunned by the move too. There were other players of other positions and position needs that might have been safer picks, but Jerry and Jason Garret must know something that led them to that choice.

I wouldnt pay much attention to his 40 time, alot of the big guys play much faster than they can run.

This a DEEP DRAFT for DTs, Dbs, and OL and that will play to yalls favor. Yall are only a few peices away from being a force. Just be patient and watch the rest of the draft

Im just glad that yall left Star Lettoulei on the board for my Panthers.

[shootermcbob]

Jerry definitely outsmarted himself on this one. I understand the logic at least on trading out of that spot, the way the board fell in picks 8-17 all the guys who would have been a fit were gone. I looked at who was a available at 18 and it wasnt much. I don't think Floyd's going to amount to much, he'll be in a good situation and see some single blocking in minnesota, but lets not forget he's only occasionally flashed potential. he gets blown off the ball and washed out laterally quite a bit. DT's seem to have a higher bust rate than other positions.

It would have been awesome if Sylvester Williams out of UNC fell but he get picked up 2 picks in front of us. Don't like the Frederick pick at all, Romo is at his worst with pressure up the middle. Lets draft a center who struggles with that who would've been there in rd 3...ugh. Had they got SF's 2nd it would have been a good deal, but alas they didn't. Did you notice they submitted the trade super early? What was the big rush?

I think Floyd has tons of potential...question with him is more "character" issues than football ability. At least maybe, with Rod Marinelli in his ear, Floyd had playmaking ability. Frederick is a big, slow, plodding, center who makes up for that by being weak at the point of attack???

 

The point is, and I think you agree, the cowboys have alot of holes, and they need to find younger players who can come in and play right away. Frederick will need 2-3 years...at least...to get strong enough to play and hold ground at point of attack,  Floyd would have been in D line rotation from day 1, maybe a starter by midseason if he lives up to his potential. What is Fredericks potential??? His ceiling is VERY LOW.

 

I agree about what's the rush. Did you see the look on Garrett's face and Ciskowski's reaction to the trade down? NOT HAPPY. That tells me that both the head coach, and scouting director, had a player they were very high on, and the owner/gm overruled them...again. 

[Teal]

The pick yall gained at 74 could prove to be useful. Theres alot of good players taken in the 3rd. That can mean depth at any position which yall need.

[shootermcbob]

Not a Cowboys fan, but lets just wait and see what the kid does.

I was stunned by the move too. There were other players of other positions and position needs that might have been safer picks, but Jerry and Jason Garret must know something that led them to that choice.

I wouldnt pay much attention to his 40 time, alot of the big guys play much faster than they can run.

This a DEEP DRAFT for DTs, Dbs, and OL and that will play to yalls favor. Yall are only a few peices away from being a force. Just be patient and watch the rest of the draft

Im just glad that yall left Star Lettoulei on the board for my Panthers.

Star...will be a star. Reminds me of Haloti Ngata from the ravens. And yes, we could have, and should have taken him.

 

All we can do is hope the Frederick kid proves us all wrong, and becomes a pro bowl player. But, NOTHING about him makes him an attractive pick, especially at pick 31 of round one. Had the cowboys picked him up in the third round...ok.

 

But the kid does nothing extremely well, he is not fast to get to the second level, he is not agile to pull, he is not quick to help protect the middle rush, and he is NOT a MAULER...

 

EVEN the kid himself said he was surprised to go in round one, thought he was a second rounder.

[shootermcbob]

The pick yall gained at 74 could prove to be useful. Theres alot of good players taken in the 3rd. That can mean depth at any position which yall need.

Name me a third rounder Dallas has taken in the last 5 years who has made the team....much less been a productive player?

 

If it was Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore, I would say give him the benefit of the doubt...he has proven over time to be an outstanding evaulator of talent. Jerry has not only NOT earned the same benefit...he and his staff have proven over time to be one of the worst drafting teams in the league.

 

One other point, how can guy, who is from a big-time offensive line factory like Wisconsin, go through 4-5 years of school, and still only Bench 225 lbs. 21 times? 21 times? There were wide receivers who did more than that.

[shootermcbob]

Wow, as I went back through this post, I am really NEGATIVE towards my cowboys. I do think they have earned the fact that fans can't trust them to better the team.

 

Thanks to those who posted, and made positive comments. I think I just go fishing and try NOT to think about rounds 2 and 3 tonight!

[craww]

I think Floyd has tons of potential...question with him is more "character" issues than football ability. At least maybe, with Rod Marinelli in his ear, Floyd had playmaking ability. Frederick is a big, slow, plodding, center who makes up for that by being weak at the point of attack???

The point is, and I think you agree, the cowboys have alot of holes, and they need to find younger players who can come in and play right away. Frederick will need 2-3 years...at least...to get strong enough to play and hold ground at point of attack, Floyd would have been in D line rotation from day 1, maybe a starter by midseason if he lives up to his potential. What is Fredericks potential??? His ceiling is VERY LOW.

I agree about what's the rush. Did you see the look on Garrett's face and Ciskowski's reaction to the trade down? NOT HAPPY. That tells me that both the head coach, and scouting director, had a player they were very high on, and the owner/gm overruled them...again.

Let me Clarify Regarding Floyd, that came out wrong he has certainly shown potential in flashes. But 5 sacks in his entire college career? It's not like he's a run stuffer either. The 23 or so teams that passed on him saw something. At any rate I agree with you on everything else. Jerry is running this team into the ground..his ego and penchant for going against the grain to look like a genius are killing us. Heaven forbid he let the best player in an area of need come to them.

[shootermcbob]

I understood your point regarding Floyd, and it is valid. My point was that, if both Floyd and Frederick play up to their potential...Floyd has pro bowl type athleticism and talent, Frederick is just another guy.

 

We are in agreement regarding Jones and the boys. I hope Frederick proves me wrong and just becomes a beast. But 21 benches with 225lbs for an offensive lineman is PATHETIC.  I did 27 reps back in 1982, as a high school senior. Granted, I am only 5'8", and it should be easier for someone my size vs being 6'4". But after 4 years in that program??? Either he is just weak, or he is not a hard worker. Neither of which bodes well for the Cowboys.

 

At the end of the day, I guess it does not really matter in the scope of life, but I am a huge fan. I don't live and die by the cowboys, or the Buckeyes, but I am a FANatic!

[aceman387]

All teams have their draft horror stories.Im a bears fan,need i say more.lol. Its always fun to follow the draft and watch some of the no names become big names and some of the big names become no names through their careers,its really a crap shoot with millions of dollars at stake.

[Felix77]

It could be worse.  You could be a Jets fan.    

 

As a Giants fan this pick was ok in my book.    

[Hanover_Yakker]

I was fuming at first as well, but then I took a step back and did some more homework.  Granted, he is not the most fleet of foot, but playing center is not about being fleet of foot?  The inside run game is any area of weakness, and clearly this pick was an attempt to not only supplant Costa at some point, but it also gains depth on the o-line as a potential replacement for injury-riddled Bernadeaux, because Frederick also has played OG.  Keep in mind that our O-Line coach is Bill Callahan (former Wisconsin coach prior to Frederick), so he understands how the Wisconsin line play operates and probably had some pull in this selection.  Granted it is considered a reach, but at least we didn't blow our load on a player with the dreaded "potential" flag and move up sacrificing more picks.

 

I wish the pick would have been Elam, but oh well.  The big plus out of the whole thing in my opinion is that they won't have to pay through the nose for him like a top 10 pick, and they have the fifth year option on the player, since he is a first round pick.  So, they have basically 5 years of service at a reasonable cost and can avoid the dreaded franchise tag and save themselves from cap purgatory further.

 

The real steal of the deal is that now we have pick 47, 74 and 80 and could really add some quality talent on the defensive side of the ball and possibly a RB.  I suspect that they are targeting players like Jonathan Cyprien (FS), Larry Warfod (OG), Jesse Williams (DT) and Jonathan Hankins (DT).  Although, I could really warm up to the idea of drafting Menelik Watson (OT) and send Free on his way today, or a skill player like Le-Veon Bell (RB) in the 4th round tomorrow to replace Felix Jones.

[Quillback]

You guys that support that Cowboys pick are putting lipstick on a pig.  They spent a first round pick on a guy, who at best is a 2nd rounder, for crying out loud the guy is a center, it's a wasted pick.  It would not surprise me to see them pick Manti Teo (if he's still available) in the 2nd round.  The torch has been passed from Al Davis to Jerry Jones.  Thank goodness I am not a Cowboys fan.

[JoePhish]

It all starts at the top.

As long as Jerry Jones is bent on trying to be the smartest guy in the football world the Cowboys will fail.

Has there really been a great Dallas draft since Jimmy Johnson left?

Jones needs to leave the football stuff to football guys before they realize any sustained success.

Washington had the similar problem with Snyder but he seems to be learning to get out of his own way.

The Maras in NY learned this years ago. #4xLombardi

 

Oh, and Justin Pugh looks great in Blue!

C'mon, it even rhymes!

[Felix77]

 

Oh, and Justin Pugh looks great in Blue!

 

       

[shootermcbob]

You guys that support that Cowboys pick are putting lipstick on a pig.  They spent a first round pick on a guy, who at best is a 2nd rounder, for crying out loud the guy is a center, it's a wasted pick.  It would not surprise me to see them pick Manti Teo (if he's still available) in the 2nd round.  The torch has been passed from Al Davis to Jerry Jones.  Thank goodness I am not a Cowboys fan.

 

Thanks, that helps. By the way, you just re-stated what I have been saying all along...in case you hadn't noticed while you were busy blasting us cowboys fans.

 

And your team is????

[shootermcbob]

I think it was a great pick by the Giants...picking up Justin Pugh. I think he is going to be a mainstay somewhere on the Giants offensive line for the next 10 years.

[Quillback]

Thanks, that helps. By the way, you just re-stated what I have been saying all along...in case you hadn't noticed while you were busy blasting us cowboys fans.

 

And your team is????

Glad to help you out.  Obviously you need it.

[shootermcbob]

Glad to help you out.  Obviously you need it.

That's funny.

 

Thanks again for the help. And your team is???

[Quillback]

When you drop the attitude, I may answer your question.  But I'll say this, my team is much, much better than the current Cowboys.  Of course there's about 24 teams that fit that description.

[shootermcbob]

When you drop the attitude, I may answer your question.  But I'll say this, my team is much, much better than the current Cowboys.  Of course there's about 24 teams that fit that description.

One of the problems with written communication...no voice inflection, no nonverbal cues...from my perspective, you are the one with the attitude. And your continued blasting of the cowboys is not news, I started this thread and I am a cowboy fan. I am keenly aware of how mediocre they are.

 

I say we move on.