Climate Control- Doing Your Part To Keep Our Wilderness Beautiful

[Brian6428]

Hey guys, we had a presentation at my high school about climate control. Naturally, I was sitting there thinking I was just too cool to be there, but I started to think about how it would affect me, and more related to this forum, my love for fishing. 

       First, let me say that I am by no means a "tree hugger". I don't drive a prius, but you don't have to do your part. And honestly, I don't even like to talk about this stuff, but I feel it is so important I have to.

       During the presentation, they told us that our earths atmosphere's parts per million of carbon is higher than ever, and still rising. 97% of scientists agree that if we don't do something, our climate will be drastically changed in the next 10 years. This made me think of how it would affect bass fishing, and nature in general, and it won't be good. I'm not going to act like a genius, so if you want to read more here is their website: http://www.acespace.org

      So I am asking you guys, just like the website listed above says, to do one thing (DOT) to help stop climate control. You could use reusable water bottles to reduce waste, recycle whenever possible, carpool, bike or walk anywhere close, unplug unused appliances, and lastly reuse things when possible. Mine will be to unplug anything that isn't being used to save energy. Please help me, and more importantly, our world, to stop climate control. And, just to make it fun, reply to this thread of what your "one thing" will be. Thanks for your time.

 

Brian

[flyfisher]

Well said. All of the above mentioned things are not just good for the environment but your energy bill will also go down as well.

[WRB]

What you are not taught is what affects our astomsphere far more than man made air pollution is volcanic eruptions. We can't control the earth itself from altering the planets ecosystem, we can do tiny part to improve our local waterways, in regards to fishing.

The African Rift Valley volcanic activity puts more airborne pollution in the atmosphere in 1 month than all man made pollution since 1900. Our current climate change has more to do with the Iceland and Pacific volcano eruptions 4 years ago, than any other factor for the northern hemisphere.

It's good to become aware of how we all can do our part, however we living in America can only affect our own destiny, unless the major world polluters do their part.

Tom

PS; source National Geographic magazine article.

[Snakehead Whisperer]

What you are not taught is what affects our astomsphere far more than man made air pollution is volcanic eruptions. We can't control the earth itself from altering the planters ecosystem, we can do tiny part to improve our local waterways, in regards to fishing.

The African Rift Valley volcanic activity puts more airborne pollution in the atmosphere in 1 month than all man made pollution since 1900. Our current climate change has more to do with the Iceland volcano eruption 4 years ago than any other factor for the northern hemisphere.

It good to become aware of how we all can do our part, however we living in America can only affect our own destiny, unless the major world polluters do their part.

Tom

First off, I'm not an alarmist. Second, this thread should probably be moved to the "Everything Else" section. 

 

With that said I'm calling BS on this. Do you have any source whatsoever for this information? 

 

It is true that the East African Rift area will feel the affects of climate change more drastically than the rest of the world, but to say that it is the cause is just ridiculous.

 

BoatlessBrian, I think it's imperative to do everything we can to preserve the environment for the next generation. We can't take for granted what is around us.

[slonezp]

It's all about the Benjamins

[WRB]

As you may recall Al Gore promised that global warming by the year 2010 would create the oceans to rise flooding low laying coastal communities. The facts proved the climate actually cooled world wide between 1998-2008 on average. Global warming then became Climate Change. The science is divided on this issue.

Our tenure on this planet is a tiny moment in time, man can't cause catastrophic climate change during the entire period man has occupied the earth. We can however pollute our ground water that directly affects our sport of fishing. We can harvest all the trees and that would have an impact on mans comfort level.

Be aware, not alarmed.

Back to fishing, this is way too emotional for common sense.

Tom

[Snakehead Whisperer]

Be aware, not alarmed.

Back to fishing, this is way too emotional for common sense.

Tom

Agreed.

[Fishing Rhino]

Here's a simple truth.  Barring some seismic event, and if the sun does not burn out, at some point in the future, the oceans shall cover the entire surface of the earth.

 

It will not be due to climate change but due to the slow inevitable wearing down of the earth's surface by erosion. 

 

We lived on Cape Cod for three years, and in that short period of time, erosion from storm waves chewed up forty feet of shoreline in some places on the outer Cape.  Even the bay encroached many feet on the Cape Cod Bay side.  That happens all around the earth. 

 

Add to that, the erosion from rain and river currents that finds its way to the ocean, and it's no surprise that ocean levels are rising.  In fact it's quite natural, predictable and inevitable.

 

There was an article on the net that homes that some of the Hollywood glitterati own on the California coast are in danger of toppling into the ocean, and they want to build seawalls or truck sand in to replace that which the ocean took away. 

 

This inexorable eroding of the earth's surface by water and wind will eventually result in the oceans covering the entire surface of the earth.  

[fadetoblack21]

Here's a simple truth.  Barring some seismic event, and if the sun does not burn out, at some point in the future, the oceans shall cover the entire surface of the earth.

 

It will not be due to climate change but due to the slow inevitable wearing down of the earth's surface by erosion. 

 

We lived on Cape Cod for three years, and in that short period of time, erosion from storm waves chewed up forty feet of shoreline in some places on the outer Cape.  Even the bay encroached many feet on the Cape Cod Bay side.  That happens all around the earth. 

 

Add to that, the erosion from rain and river currents that finds its way to the ocean, and it's no surprise that ocean levels are rising.  In fact it's quite natural, predictable and inevitable.

 

There was an article on the net that homes that some of the Hollywood glitterati own on the California coast are in danger of toppling into the ocean, and they want to build seawalls or truck sand in to replace that which the ocean took away. 

 

This inexorable eroding of the earth's surface by water and wind will eventually result in the oceans covering the entire surface of the earth.  

 

The oceans may cover the land that our feet rest today, but let us not forget the tectonic plates. As the land is slowly being eroded away by all that you mentioned, it is also being pushed forth in other places.  And we should also not forget where all of that rain/snow that floods our rivers comes from. The rain that falls comes from the evaporation of the oceans. Once it reaches the clouds it condenses and falls as rain. So while the rain may cause the erosion, it is not in fact adding to the height of the oceans, it is simply replenishing the evaporated water. It is all one big cycle.

 

As to the original post, I agree that we should all do our part to help improve the environment that we live in. We only have one world, why continue to trash it. But with this said, I have serious problems with the validity of the science behind global warming/climate change. I honestly believe that they (scientists) have yet to figure out what is going on. 

 

Lets try not to forget that this round rock that we inhabit has gone through cycles such as this long before humans laid their bare feet on the dirt. If global warming/climate change is truly man made then the damage very well may have already been done and we are on a crash course for disaster. 

[SirSnookalot]

I'll go with the 97% of scientists and I do believe man has a lot to do with climate change.  There are 2 issues, 1 being climate change and the other is protecting our resources.  The scrap business, which I was in for 35 years is all about recycling, metals, plastics, papers.  IMO disposable items need to be biodegradable at a faster rate.  CAFE standards should be raised for better mileage, practical alternate energy solutions, an improved more efficient electrical grid.  Carpooling is a good idea, if for no other reasons than to manage one's own personal expenses, with less wear and tear on your vehicle, less traffic, HOV lanes do get you to your destination faster in rush hour.

[Fishing Rhino]

The oceans may cover the land that our feet rest today, but let us not forget the tectonic plates. As the land is slowly being eroded away by all that you mentioned, it is also being pushed forth in other places.  And we should also not forget where all of that rain/snow that floods our rivers comes from. The rain that falls comes from the evaporation of the oceans. Once it reaches the clouds it condenses and falls as rain. So while the rain may cause the erosion, it is not in fact adding to the height of the oceans, it is simply replenishing the evaporated water. It is all one big cycle.

 

As to the original post, I agree that we should all do our part to help improve the environment that we live in. We only have one world, why continue to trash it. But with this said, I have serious problems with the validity of the science behind global warming/climate change. I honestly believe that they (scientists) have yet to figure out what is going on. 

 

Lets try not to forget that this round rock that we inhabit has gone through cycles such as this long before humans laid their bare feet on the dirt. If global warming/climate change is truly man made then the damage very well may have already been done and we are on a crash course for disaster. 

 

I didn't forget the tectonic plates.  In my first sentence I stated that when I started by saying,  "barring some seismic event". 

 

According to core samples taken from the Great Barrier Reef, scientists have concluded that on three different occasions it has been as much as sixty feet above sea level over the last million and a half years.  If they are correct, and I've read nothing that disputes that assertion, then rising and falling ocean levels are natural occurrences. 

[senile1]

I didn't know that this thread would even be allowed.  This is one of those issues where many people quote only those facts that support their preconceived viewpoint.  It is human nature to listen to and read sources of information that support our own opinions.  It is unfortunate, but many debaters choose anecdotal facts to support their arguments, rather than listening to all of the facts and then reaching a conclusion.  For that reason, issues like this one usually result in overheated debates. 

 

As Daniel Boorstin stated:  "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge."  Anecdotal facts give the illusion of knowledge. 

 

I have an informed opinion but I am staying away from this one.  Hopefully, everyone can keep it happy. 

[Glenn]

      So I am asking you guys, just like the website listed above says, to do one thing (DOT) to help stop climate control. You could use reusable water bottles to reduce waste, recycle whenever possible, carpool, bike or walk anywhere close, unplug unused appliances, and lastly reuse things when possible. Mine will be to unplug anything that isn't being used to save energy. Please help me, and more importantly, our world, to stop climate control. And, just to make it fun, reply to this thread of what your "one thing" will be. Thanks for your time.

 

Brian

 

Let's refrain from the debate, and stick to the wishes of the OP.

 

Thanks!

Glenn

[shootermcbob]

We have replaced the plastic water bottles with a brita water pitcher and we use re-usable water bottles.

[SirSnookalot]

One thing I'd like to see done here in my part of Florida is better traffic control.  We have a lot of traffic lights and the wait time on the red is excessive IMO.  A better system that allowed less idle time would probably save gasoline.  We do have quite a bit of traffic, but measures could be easily put in place in non peak driving times, like night and early morning.