katmandew Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I'm curious as to why people choose the $15-$25 jerk baits as opposed to the cheaper Smithwick Rattlin Rogues. Had a guy tell me he only fished pointers because they worked so much better, but didn't specifically cite any major differences in the action of the bait. What do those more expensive jerk baits do that the cheaper Rogues don't? Quote
PondBoss Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 It's not as much fun to tell someone you caught a huge sack of fish with a $5 bait. Quote
Bass Junkie Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 They tend to be much better casting baits, suspend more consistently, come with better stock hardware, and a greater variety of stock color patterns. The Megabass especially are also works of art. Plus, you just feel better throwing one, until you lose it 2 Quote
FloridaBassDude Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Pointers are like Senkos almost, you can buy something that looks the EXACT same for a lot cheaper, but for some reason they just work better than the cheaper brands. No explanation, it's just one of those things. Although, I have bought a 5 pack of worms that imitated Senkos for 48 cents, and they worked perfectly. I also use Smithwick Rattlin Rouges, and they work just fine! Quote
Bass Dude Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I throw all brands of stickbaits and they all have their place. The main reason I like the LC's and Megabass is the castability. Trying to throw a Rogue in the wind is nearly impossible. The stock hooks are better too in the expensive lures, but I change them out anyway so that doesn't matter. The finish looks better, but I've noticed the LC finish isn't very durable. Quote
Blue Streak Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I believe the Pointer is the one expensive bait that is really worth the price. For me there is not another jerk bait that even comes close , they just out perform any other and I am not sure why. 1 Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted March 19, 2013 Super User Posted March 19, 2013 They tend to be much better casting baits, suspend more consistently, come with better stock hardware, and a greater variety of stock color patterns. The Megabass especially are also works of art. Plus, you just feel better throwing one, until you lose it What he said! Quote
ColdSVT Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I throw all brands of stickbaits and they all have their place. The main reason I like the LC's and Megabass is the castability. Trying to throw a Rogue in the wind is nearly impossible. The stock hooks are better too in the expensive lures, but I change them out anyway so that doesn't matter. The finish looks better, but I've noticed the LC finish isn't very durable. this! I like the slender pointer the best in ghost minnow. the 78 in female bluegill is like a bass french fry! Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 19, 2013 Super User Posted March 19, 2013 I fish them all. Rogues are a different bait altogether. They have a specific body roll that other baits do not have. Likewise, a Pointer has a walking side to side action others do not have. The Vision 110 does the walk, then goes head down, nad very slowly rises. Three baits, three different actions. Fish what works that day. Quote
Primus Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I fish them all. Rogues are a different bait altogether. They have a specific body roll that other baits do not have. Likewise, a Pointer has a walking side to side action others do not have. The Vision 110 does the walk, then goes head down, nad very slowly rises. Three baits, three different actions. Fish what works that day. Good answer, they are tools and they have different attributes that make them excel under certain conditions. More than any category of lures preferred jerkbaits can change day to day, it's one of those things that you have to experiment with each day. You can catch plenty of fish with Husky Jerks and Roques and at certain times these will outfish the premium Japanese baits. That said more often than not the Ima Flit, Megabass , Jackall and especially the Lucky Craft jerkbaits will outfish the Husky Jerks & Roques in my opinion. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 19, 2013 Super User Posted March 19, 2013 Suspending Rogues came out at a time when there were very few other baits that worked like this. There are a lot of things you can do to customize their action. As the evolution of suspended baits continued, specific actions were starting to get built into the baits. Also, advanced weighting features helped in casting these lighter baits in the windy conditions where they often excel. As these actions became more specific, certain baits began to emerge as favorites. Baits like 110's , Ponters, Flash Minnows, etc. have some pretty advanced designs, and the consistency in these baits is bar none. That costs. You want that specific action, and pike eats your lure, you can grab another one, and it will behave the same way. You'd have re engineer all your dots and strips, and bigger hooks/split rings, etc. to get that back again with a Rogue. That R&D and manufacturing costs, hence the higher price. All that said, there's nothing like the roll of a Rogue in cold water. It's as valid as it was in the 90s. I caught so many fish on it. Quote
gripnrip Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 I fish them all. Rogues are a different bait altogether. They have a specific body roll that other baits do not have. Likewise, a Pointer has a walking side to side action others do not have. The Vision 110 does the walk, then goes head down, nad very slowly rises. Three baits, three different actions. Fish what works that day.Bingo! FLW's issue for April has a excellet article about explaining actions on the above listed jerkbaits and a handful more as well. Quote
Super User Deleted account Posted March 19, 2013 Super User Posted March 19, 2013 Suspending Rogues came out at a time when there were very few other baits that worked like this. There are a lot of things you can do to customize their action. As the evolution of suspended baits continued, specific actions were starting to get built into the baits. Also, advanced weighting features helped in casting these lighter baits in the windy conditions where they often excel. As these actions became more specific, certain baits began to emerge as favorites. Baits like 110's , Ponters, Flash Minnows, etc. have some pretty advanced designs, and the consistency in these baits is bar none. That costs. You want that specific action, and pike eats your lure, you can grab another one, and it will behave the same way. You'd have re engineer all your dots and strips, and bigger hooks/split rings, etc. to get that back again with a Rogue. That R&D and manufacturing costs, hence the higher price. All that said, there's nothing like the roll of a Rogue in cold water. It's as valid as it was in the 90s. I caught so many fish on it. Well said, I think the major thing you buy from the premium japanese baits is consistency and quality components. I like the Vision 110 and the LC Pointer a lot, but they are not what I reach for first in really cold conditions. Quote
Super User MCS Posted March 19, 2013 Super User Posted March 19, 2013 I used to poop poop expensive baits, still hate the expensive soft plastics, but I bought an LC a few months back and I have got to say its finish and quality are sooo worth it. Runs perfect and sharp hooks out of the package makes me want more! I must say RW was right about this one lol Quote
Super User deaknh03 Posted March 19, 2013 Super User Posted March 19, 2013 My new favorite.. http://www.***.com/Duo_Realis_Jerkbait_120SP/descpage-DUOJK12.html 1 Quote
PABASS Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 These are a hard sell for me as a bank beater since I get hung allot and typically loose the bait when I do. If I owned a boat that may be another story and they do look reel nice but are they worth the money? I have read that where these baits come out on top is super clear water.. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 19, 2013 Super User Posted March 19, 2013 I have read that where these baits come out on top is super clear water.. Misnomer. All jerkbaits work well in a variety of water. Quote
PABASS Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Misnomer. All jerkbaits work well in a variety of water. Not jerkbaits in general but the LC and Megabass and as the pro called them Japaneses style jerkbaits.. Quote
Bass Junkie Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Not jerkbaits in general but the LC and Megabass and as the pro called them Japaneses style jerkbaits.. On the contrary, quite a few domestic jerkbaits will work in muddy water... Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 19, 2013 Super User Posted March 19, 2013 OK, misnomer. Japanese style jerkbaits work in many water colors. 1 Quote
PABASS Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 O boy, forums, people all I am saying is that when fishing clear water this pro said he likes the LC and Megabass better than the cheaper jerkbaits, period end of story, I don't use them cant speak for them.. I use cheaper models in all types of water conditions ALL YEAR ROUND lol, they for many years where my go to bait... Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 19, 2013 Super User Posted March 19, 2013 What do you mean "forums"? You want the straight poop, or should put on my jersey and pimp what I want you to buy? That pro likes it that way. Whatever. They all work at different times. The fish, not the water, decides what it wants to bite. Quote
katmandew Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 Good info. Thanks for all the input. The body of water this guy was on is usually gin clear, so maybe that's why he liked the pointer. I may have to try it out. Don't think I can swing $50 for 2 megabass jerkbaits tho, and I wont buy just one because they will bite it for sure and then I'll lose it and be stuck out there without one. lol Quote
Super User MCS Posted March 20, 2013 Super User Posted March 20, 2013 These are a hard sell for me as a bank beater since I get hung allot and typically loose the bait when I do. If I owned a boat that may be another story and they do look reel nice but are they worth the money? I have read that where these baits come out on top is super clear water.. Look at the Lucky Craft Spazz. It one on my list. I fish from shore, 3-5 feet is max but 3 foot n up you should have no problems. Quote
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