Jig Rod

[SoCalFisher]

I am looking into a new rod for strictly jig fishing and decided on another phenix recon but am not sure if I should get the 714 or 715. Which one of these would be better and why? Both are 7'1" just the 714 is a medium heavy and the 715 is a heavy.

[iabass8]

I don't own either but I believe the consensus is the 715 is the best jig rod in the recon line up.

[SoCalFisher]

Yea that's the impression I have been getting but I'll wait for a few more responses. Also I noticed the older shimano cumaras are on sale  and was wondering what the 6'8"mh and 7'2"m would be useful for. I am not asking if these would be good for jigs since I am getting a recon no matter what, I'm just wondering what these are good for since they are so cheap I feel like I need to buy one and I don't want to make another thread.

[kickerfish1]

Size of jigs would be nice. As would be intended use... flipping, swimming, casting, etc. Type of cover fished. I wouldn't anoint the 715 as the best jig rod in recon line up just yet...

I have the 714 recon and a handful of cumara rods. If you can provide more specifics I might be of some help.

[SoCalFisher]

I find myself using 1/2oz jigs the most often. I want this to be my all around jig rod. I fish a variety of lakes/ponds/rivers some with heavy cover some with no cover. I usually cast and flip jigs.

 

About the cumara, THIS IS NOT FOR JIGS, it's just really cheap and I want one but don't know what I would use it for and don't want to make another thread. So what would you use the 6'8" medium heavy or the 7'2" medium for?

[kickerfish1]

I fish the 714 recon as a utility rod. It does alot of things well. It is an excellent weightless soft plastics rod. Also serves as a good swimjig rod and medium jig rod not exceeding a 1/2 oz. With that said you would be best served with the 715. As a whole the recon will fish 1/2 power under the industry standard. The 715 will be between a true heavy and a medium heavy rod. I can say with pretty high certainty the 715 is the rod you will want for a 1/2 oz jig give or take.

As far as the cumara rods you noted, the 6'9 MH rod will fish many baits well that range between 3/8 - 3/4 oz. The rod can run jigs, Texas rigs, 1/2 oz plus spinnerbaits, and bigger chatrerbaits. A very precise casting rod for accurate casting or tight quarters.

The 7'2 medium is basically an under 3/8 oz baits rod. Weightless plastics and light jigs and Texas rigs would be stronger points of this rod.

With the lifetime over the counter warranty on the cumara they are great buy. TT did a reviews of the rods when they came out in 2008-2009 if you want more info on the rod as a whole.

[SoCalFisher]

I'll probably go for the 715 then.

 

I know the cumara is a great rod and I want it because it's so cheap and the warranty is amazing. I have a crucial well had the older model and it broke near the reel seat from something smashing it in the back of my truck so I sent it in and they sent me the NEW model no questions asked. I think I'll get the 6'8" for spinnerbaits and texas rigs. I would get the 7'2" but I already have a phenix recon 682 for my weightless plastics.

[kickerfish1]

While the 714 can toss a 1/2 jig I would say it is about the max I would fish especially after

you throw a trailer on it. The 715 is in my humble opinion the best rod for what you want. I had a lengthy conversation with Vince Borges from phenix rods early last year. From our conversation that is the direction I would lead you. If you want to speak with Vince personally, just call Phenix directly. They will provide you with all necessary contact info for Vince. He is very prompt with his replies via phone/email and will be able to provide a better idea of their rod lineup capabilities.

Better snag the cumara before it is gone. At that price they will move quick. I ordered the spinning rod model... 7'2 medium xf last night and I believe it is now sold out.

[SoCalFisher]

Oh I just noticed we weren't even talking about the same cumara. I was asking about the 6'8" medium heavy casting.

[kickerfish1]

Oh I just noticed we weren't even talking about the same cumara. I was asking about the 6'8" medium heavy casting.

Sorry, that was a typo on my part. The 6'8 rod should cover the above mentioned techniques just fine.

[38 Super Fan]

Size of jigs would be nice. As would be intended use... flipping, swimming, casting, etc. Type of cover fished. I wouldn't anoint the 715 as the best jig rod in recon line up just yet...

I have the 714 recon and a handful of cumara rods. If you can provide more specifics I might be of some help.

Not to interupt, but where would you say the sweet spot is on the 714 Kicker? 3/8 oz? 1/2 oz? I've looked at both of these myself, and am fairly set on the 714, but any input from an owner would be good.  

[SoCalFisher]

Oh ok, looks like I'll still be getting it, gona be an expensive order as I'm getting the cumara, the phenix recon 715 and also a phenix x composite x12. Even though some people have this much into one rod.

[kickerfish1]

Not to interupt, but where would you say the sweet spot is on the 714 Kicker? 3/8 oz? 1/2 oz? I've looked at both of these myself, and am fairly set on the 714, but any input from an owner would be good.

Your fine... the sweet spot on the 714 is likely right around 3/8oz. To me it just does a variety of things well. I tossed a weightless superfluke with a 4/0 EWG hook with it on the lighter side of things. I also have fished swimjigs that push 5/8 oz with trailer on them. The rod is quite powerful but the top 1/5 of the blank (tip section region) is more like a JDM rod. Meaning a bit softer and easy to load but not parabolic or moderate like a crankbait rod. It is difficult to explain but as noted above someone like Vince would be a good resource. I would say the rod does well between 1/4 - 5/8 but the sweet spot is right at around 3/8 oz.

[kickerfish1]

Oh ok, looks like I'll still be getting it, gona be an expensive order as I'm getting the cumara, the phenix recon 715 and also a phenix x composite x12. Even though some people have this much into one rod.

That should be a nice group! If you have any hesitation at all call Vince about the Phenix rods you are looking at. Rod manufacturer reps/owners are more readily available and willing to help than most folks think. Part of what they do requires extensive field testing and evaluation. I was reluctant to call at first but after doing so I have gone straight to the source for information when I want to try out new rod line. Upon fishing the rod after our discussions I have found that their advice to be pretty spot on and to my liking.

[38 Super Fan]

Your fine... the sweet spot on the 714 is likely right around 3/8oz. To me it just does a variety of things well. I tossed a weightless superfluke with a 4/0 EWG hook with it on the lighter side of things. I also have fished swimjigs that push 5/8 oz with trailer on them. The rod is quite powerful but the top 1/5 of the blank (tip section region) is more like a JDM rod. Meaning a bit softer and easy to load but not parabolic or moderate like a crankbait rod. It is difficult to explain but as noted above someone like Vince would be a good resource. I would say the rod does well between 1/4 - 5/8 but the sweet spot is right at around 3/8 oz.

Thanks! I've got a pair of Recon 764s, and like them well, I especially like the action. I need a versatille 7' MH rod, something for 1/2 oz spinnerbaits, 3/8 jigs, buzzbaits, and probably some plastics and other stuff too. Sounds like the 714 is definately the ticket.

[kickerfish1]

No problem! For a muti-purpose stick the 714 is a great rod to have in the arsenal. It would fish the above mentioned baits you noted just fine as well as many others. It is one of the few rods that isn't a "dedicated xyz" rod. I just simply rig it as a duplicate of the hot bait or to fill avoid with any of the other rods in the rotation.