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I've never been a big jig user, so i am going to start using them. Using braid would you tie the jig directly via a palomar knot or use a rapala loop knot to allow the jig to move more freely. 

 

Thanks

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I've never been a big jig user, so i am going to start using them. Using braid would you tie the jig directly via a palomar knot or use a rapala loop knot to allow the jig to move more freely. 

 

Thanks

 

Straight braid I'd tie a Palomar.

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On my jigs with straight braid, I normally use a berkely braid knot or a double palomar knot. A palomar knot shot be fine, ive used them before and havent had failure.

I would only use the Loop knot on moving treble baits like cranks and jerks. I have never heard of it being used for jigs.

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10-4 thanks fellas.

 

Sure thing.

 

FWIW, I've also tied a double-Palomar in some circumstances...

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Sure thing.

FWIW, I've also tied a double-Palomar in some circumstances...

The double might be overkill, but i dont need anymore reasons not to catch or land fish. Breaking off fish is something i dont like to do. Thats me, im a little anal about my knots.

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Sure thing.

 

FWIW, I've also tied a double-Palomar in some circumstances...

 

For extra heavy cover/tree limbs ? 

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For extra heavy cover/tree limbs ? 

 

Moreso if I was using a new braid that was still kind of slick/slippery, or a very thin diameter braid.

 

Not something I tie often. It can be a pretty chunky knot, especially for thicker braids.

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The double might be overkill, but i dont need anymore reasons not to catch or land fish. Breaking off fish is something i dont like to do. Thats me, im a little anal about my knots.

 

Oh I agree, it is an overkill knot. Big, chunky, but dadgum strong!

 

As I mentioned to the OP in a reply, I've used it when I had a particularly slick braid (or new), or a thin diameter braid that seemed to slip when I pulled it tight while testing the knot.

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theres no doubt the palomar is a great knot but wastes line...i use the improved clinch and have never had one fail myself...

 

Yes, it does/can waste line. I fumble with it to preserve as much line as possible.

 

I will use the improved clinch when using a leader, but I've had it slip on braid. Perhaps more wraps will prevent the slippage.

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I grew up on the palomar knot for both fresh and salt water. Seen to many of the other knots fail, especially in saltwater use. 

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For braid a 5 turn Uni..mono, canoeman loop knot.

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I like playing with different knots. Structurally, many or even  most fishing knots have
many similarities. Someone else can tell me if this one is REALLY new, but I think it
is something you will find interesting.

The Big O Knot is designed for braided or heavy fluorocarbon line. A primary goal is to
provide 100% security when Big O sets the hook! I promise you this, if tied properly the
knot will not break.

This is a variation of the Pitzen Knot: http://www.orlandooutfitters.com/knots/knot.asp?id=12

The Big O Knot requires putting the tag end back through the eye of the hook one more 
time, just as you would do with a Palomar Knot.  Bring the loop you created up next to
the main line. Then wrap the tag end four times around the outside of the main line and 
the two lines of the loop. Start the wrapping from the bottom (nearest the hook) and 
work up. Finish the knot by threading the tag through the newly created top loop, moisten 
and tighten.

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I'm a San Diego Jam knot man myself.  Only time it has failed on me is when I cut it so there is no tag end.  I hate tossing a cast out to only watch your lure go sailing never to be seen again.

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I've never been a big jig user, so i am going to start using them. Using braid would you tie the jig directly via a palomar knot or use a rapala loop knot to allow the jig to move more freely. 

 

Thanks

I actually would tie a trilene knot or a standard palomar, but I would make sure you wet the line and leave a small tag just in case the braid slips.

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I'm a San Diego Jam knot man myself. Only time it has failed on me is when I cut it so there is no tag end. I hate tossing a cast out to only watch your lure go sailing never to be seen again.

X2 on the San Diego Jam. I am a recent convert and I love it. No losses yet and it's pretty easy to tie.

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I may be the only one, but I've just never liked the way a Palomar cinches down with braid, I like to run just a simple uni.

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I like the improved clinch. Nothing wrong with the polamar knot though. I can tie the improved clinch on mono and fluoro too no problems. I do not tie a polamar knot on fluoro.

The most important part is that you tie correctly and make good clean knots. If something doesnt look right then retie. Most knots will work just fine if tied right. Whereas any knot can have problems if tied incorrectly.

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I grew up on the palomar knot for both fresh and salt water. Seen to many of the other knots fail, especially in saltwater use. 

I am primarily a saltwater fisherman.  The biggest difference between fresh and salt would be dealing with heavier cover in freshwater, and the fish in saltwater have the potential to be bigger, but more open water.

I'm in favor of any knot that works well and can be tied easily, I use the identical knots in both fresh and salt, no deviation.  I always use a leader in any venue, my knots are a basic clinch knot for mono, copoly and leaders, braid gets an improved clinch, a double wrap if targeting offshore species and a double wrapped loopknot. I do not use the loop for jigs, as I'm using a leader it's the ordinary clinch.

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Clinch will work, the improved clinch will work better, and then the palomar will be even more secure, is it necessary? that's up to you! I like the most secure, but am lazy and usually tie an improved clinch, very simple and fast!!

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