Super User Teal Posted January 4, 2013 Super User Posted January 4, 2013 War eagle the two lakes I fish the most a super clear for most of the year we have pretty thick hydrilla and milfoil. (Bull rush and water willow too, but they aren't a problem). But other than that the cover isn't super nasty. 17 is what I use most often and it's never let me down. If I come up on some really nasty brush couple with mats of veg, I'll usually fish without a leader. Rule of thumb down here is go light until its time for full braid. The powell rod that I fish with 17 (no braid) is normally, I don't get too nasty with that one..ifs really thick I go to the 8 footer it nor,ally has braid.. The Cumara is gonna be my punching rod.. I'll let you know Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted January 5, 2013 Global Moderator Posted January 5, 2013 Great thread!  I was actually going to post something very similar. I just acquired a Shimano Castaic 200SF with the double-clutch mechanism.  Has anyone else used these reels for flipping? I had one for a long time and it was a great reel, just a little heavy and big for my likings. They make a good reel for small swimbaits and traps also because they hold quite a bit of line and the since they're a super free they cast a mile. Quote
Super User ww2farmer Posted January 5, 2013 Super User Posted January 5, 2013 I wish Shimano would offer that double clutch on a newer LH reel. The Castaic sit's too high in the reel seat for my liking. And I can't or won't drop the kind of money they want for the Core that has it for a flipping reel..........besides they don't make that in LH anyways. Quote
Crookedneck Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 I use a custom built rod 7'3" rod. Built up on an MHX MB874 blank. The blank is a H/F. I did an acid wrap on the guides. I have it set up with a Quantum Tour Edition 1170PT w/ 65# Power pro.  I have also used this to toss an Arig the few times I have fished that rig. Quote
Basseditor Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Kistler Zbone 7'11" ex heavy/ (was using pflueger president) but just bought Revo3 STX for it/25#Invisx Kistler Zbone 7'6" heavy//pflueger patriarch/20# Invisx (just bought Team Lew's TL1H for it) Kistler Helium 7'6" heavy/Revo3 STX/20# Invisx Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted January 5, 2013 Super User Posted January 5, 2013 6'10 H Falcon Bucoo micro it's their pitchin stick. power pro #50 on a BPS PQ 6:4:1 with but that'll be replaced with a Lews tournament in the same ratio to complete my Lews arsenal. Quote
mnbassman23 Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Phenix Recon 766Revo STX 7:1 Sunline FX2 60lbs green/blue 4/0 straight shank hook 3/8-1oz weights  I use a pretty similar set up!  Phenix Recon 796 Revo SX Sunline FX2 60lb  (power pro 65 if I run out of FX2) 4/0 Paycheck straight shank hook Quote
wisconsin heat Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Abu vengence 7'6" MH with a Quantum accurist I use 50 or 65lb Spiderwire Stealth braid. I'll flip with just about any soft plastic; Last year Berkely Havoc baits and zoom centipedes worked very well. Quote
PondBoss Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 1) 7'6" XH  H2O Xpress Ethos with a BPS Carbonlite 7.1:1 spooled up with 50lb Spider Wire Stealth  2) 7' H H2O Xpress Ethos with Lews Speed Spool 7.1:1 spooled up with 30lb Spider Wire Stealth Quote
cbass12 Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 1) 7'6" MH Carbonlite with a LH Gen 2 Revo S and 17 lb. Floro 2) 7' MH Carbonlite with same reel and line as above  I'm about to go to a 7'6" MH BPS Extreme and use the 7' Carbonlite as a crank/spinnerbait rod. Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Posted January 7, 2013 Thanks guys for keeping the thread going. It's always nice to me to see and hear about all the different gear other guys use. There's always more than one way to go about doing something and it shows here with so many different rod, reel, and line combinations. Yet everyone here is accomplishing the same goal, catching bass out of grass or wood. I just love talking tackle and especially flipping because it's one of my favorite ways to fish. Quote
KevO Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 I use a BCFR 954 GLX / Curado 200e7 65# sufix for punching. Â For flipping I use a Dobyns Champion 705 / Chronarch 200e7 and 20# Sunline FC. Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Posted January 7, 2013 KevO, I find the BCFR 954 GLX to be a broom stick of a rod and best suited to duties like you are using yours for. I fish it the least out of my three flipping rods due to this. Also it feels a little heavier than my other two (Powell 7105 & Falcon Expert) especially with a reel mounted on. I've tried several different reels on it so far, Curado 201D, Chronarch 101A, Chronarch 101B, and currently a Curado 51E. Now before everyone says well sure it's heavy, you're using heavy reels on it, let me just tell you that I've switched all these reels around between the different rods (just as an experiment I didn't actually fish all the different cobinations) just to see if they made the other rods feel the same way. The answer is no, they don't feel as heavy on the other rods as they do on the BCFR. Since I tried the Curado 51E I've been very pleased with the feel of it and how they actually fish together so I've found my permanent reel for it finally.  One question I have for you about yours is have you run into any problems using braid with this rod. Many reports of the guides grooving with braid, I so far have only fished mono and fluoro on mine but the very next time I respool I'm going to go with Power Pro Super 8 Slick. Just want to make sure I'm not going to ruin a $$$ rod. Also do you use it for anything other than your punching needs?  Just some general thoughts I have on this rod are it seems to be built with the intention of being able to flip and punch anywhere without worry. No matter the type of cover or line it will be able to handle it. It is a serious flipping rod, not really one that I find enjoyable to do light duty work with. I know it has the most power of any of my three sticks, and if I were choosing one to fish the thickest heaviest grass this would be it. My Powell also has plenty of power and I've got great confidence in this rod (my most used rod) but it has A LOT softer tip. To me this inables it to do light duty work as well as the nasty stuff. I wouldn't be affraid to fish this one anywhere either, just a little softer action is all. The Falcon would be the lightest powered of all my sticks but it is very very easy to fish with. It will fish 99% of anything I come across no problems, I was just ranking them in the order I feel they fall in.         Quote
KevO Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 The rod is made for punchin mats and it is a broomstick. Â The length and power is needed to haul big fish out of the mat's quickly. Â I have a comparable Powell rod too and it is much lighter than the GLX. Â Most of the GLX's weight is in the handle, there's going to be a couple of ounces of cork that the Powell doesn't have since its a full a grip. Â I does blow the Powell out of the water IMO, but it better for the price. Â Also, I haven't noticed any grooving on the guides, from the braid, but they are titanium so I'm not sure how that would happen. Â I will look at it next time though. Â Â As far as the reel goes, I've tried a couple different reels (Core 100mg, Chronarch 50mg, Curado 200E7). Â It is heavy with the Curado on it but I chose it because I have a spare spool and I switch between braid and 20# FC. Â I use the rod quite a bit ledge fishing, I throw C-rigs, heavy T-rigs, and football jigs on it. Â It's been a very versatile rod for me, and is a awesome c-rig rod. Â You can really sling a 1 oz weight on the long rod. Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Posted January 7, 2013 Thanks KevO. Yeah I thought the titanium guides would be bulletproof to but there are plenty of guys out there that say they grooved them pretty bad using braid with them. I do realize the full cork grips would add weight I guess what I'm saying is the BCFR feels like it gains "extra" weight somehow after mounting the reel. Let me try to explain my self better, if I lay the BCFR and the 7105 side by side with no reel and compare their weight in hand they don't feel that much different. Now lets say I add a Curade 201D to the Powell, no line or lure just the reel and play around with it a second then switch the same reel over to the BCFR it seems like the reel added more weight to the BCFR than to the Powell. I'm not really sure how to explain what I mean, it's no big deal, I was just rambling on. I know it DOESN'T add more weight to the Loomis than the Powell it just feels that way to me. Sorry for going down that confusing road. On a different point you made you said in your opinion the BCFR blew the Powell away. In what area's exactly do you feel this way? It's very interesting to me because I think I like the Powell better despite the price difference. I personally don't find the GLX to be much more sensative and I prefer the action of the Powell. Just asking for your personal thoughts, as we know there is no right or wrong answer when dealing with personal preferences. Thanks ahead of time for taking the time to discuss it with me. Quote
nwmike Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 powell endurance 764 with a okuma cayeene spooled with 50lbs power pro.love this rod sensitive with the perfect blend of power and action Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Posted January 7, 2013 The 4 power rod doesn't lack "power" in your opinion? You may not be fishing really thick stuff so that could be a big factor I know, I'm just curious. I have two 5 power Powell rods, the 7105 flip/punch rod and the 735 frog rod. If I'm remembering correctly the 7105 is just a fast action while the 735 is extra fast. I know the 735 has a much stiffer tip than the 7105, but it's my favorite rod. It's just right in my opinion for frog and toad baits, plenty of power in the 735. I just love grass fishing so these two rods get plenty of fishing time.   I've never fished a 4 power Powell so I don't have any clue as to their effectiveness as "heavy cover" rods.  Quote
war-eagle Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 I use a 7' Carrot Stix Wild MH-F, With a Pflueger Purist reel, and 12 lb. Fluorocarbon. 1/4 to 1/2 jigs Quote
nwmike Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 the 4 power is plenty for the flipping i do where i fish and live.if i was going to fish really heavy cover i would opt for the 775cef endurance or max765 mh.for moderate cover i think a 4 power is plenty.i almost bought the 775 but felt it was to much rod for what i fish.i do fish a ton of submerged timber with the 764 and it has been an excellent rod and has plenty of power to get fish out.when i need to get up in the really nasty stuff i will use my custom nfc 7'3'' heavy. Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Posted January 7, 2013 Thanks for the additional info on the 4 power Powell's! Quote
KevO Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 Maybe the Powell is balanced better when the you have the reel on it, than the GLX. My Powell has a CuradoE5 on it right now, I might weigh them to see what the difference is actually, but I think it's the way it balances. I think the "gained weight" comes from the size of the reel seat and reel. Thats what wears me out it just feels buge in my hand, the weight doesn't bother me though. Quote
Super User retiredbosn Posted January 7, 2013 Super User Posted January 7, 2013 I can't believe raidernation hasn't posted on this. Flipping left middle finger Punching right hook Quote
War Eagle 44 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Posted January 7, 2013 Your probably correct that the balace is just better with the reels I've tried on the Powell. I don't plan to get rid of the Loomis, it's a great heavy duty flipping rod and I'll save it for those situations. Quote
Super User LgMouthGambler Posted January 7, 2013 Super User Posted January 7, 2013 I can't believe raidernation hasn't posted on this.Flipping left middle finger Punching right hook Haha, funny stuff. Quote
KevO Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 I think you might like it for c-rigging too, I also throw big flutter spoons like the lake fork tackle spoon on it in the summer. Â Quote
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