Veritas Uncertainty

[mr.kagrise]

I am a day or two out from buying a new Veritas (MHF 7ft), primarily for worms (7.5" and 10"), and have decided to put an Orra sx on to complete the combo. I have heard a lot of complaints about the reel seat on these rods and wondered if any of you guys have or have had this set up and if so, did you have any problems with the reel seat? Secondly, when "whipping" the rod in the store, the MH power that I have always used for worms and light jigs seemed VERY stiff. I've read a lot of discussions on the forum and have seen mixed emotions about this, but wanted to ask for myself. I almost never fish real heavy cover, slop, or pads. Usually in 10 acre ponds/lakes and sometimes on open bodies, but hardly ever encounter the mess a heavy action rod would be required for. Would I be losing anything by staying with a MH and it being stiffer than I am accustomed to? Are there any benefits to a stiffer rod other than horsing power? I'm ready to finally use one of these things, but want to be positve I have the best one for my needs. Thanks to everyone that helps!

[livewire84]

I have the same rod. The extra power helps set the hook. Great rod for jigs and worms. Unaware of a reel seat issue. I use a Lews Speed Spool with 50# 832 braid

[thehooligan]

I had the 7ft medium micro guide rod. No problems with the reel seat, but abu rods always feel 1 power stronger than there supposed to. I bought the medium cause the mh was like a broom stick...

[bassh8er]

I just picked up 2 6'6" MH micro guide Veritas casting rods for $50 a piece st Scheel's. Not crazy about the length, but at that price I'll deal with it

[TylerVC]

In my experience a stiff rod is a sensitive rod.

[Diggy]

I initially thought I had a reel seat problem but it was my own fault not taking time putting on my reel...it wobbled slightly. What I would recommend is putting tape or tabs on the reel feet because the metal on the reel seat(metal screw) can scratch the reels paint. Mine are already scratched so it doesnt matter anymore.

I use the 7ft mh for almost everything including what you want and I dont find problems with it at all. I even throw finesse jigs on it. Ive never used the medium to fish so I cant compare it, its slight lighter, but the mh is light too. It is stiffer than other MH rods but I actually prefer it to my other m/h rods and I've said its my favorite that I own.

I put my revo back on it, with 50lb braid and have been using a flouro leader recently, I think the sensitivity has stepped up even more now with the leader on the soft plastics. I have the micros, the knot (that I use) passes through but can rub so I usually stop it before the tip. If you are using regular guides or straight line no leader, should have zero issues there.

I think you'd be happy with either the M or MH the mh would give you more options IMO if you decide to go into heavier cover

[bass1980]

I have two veritas and have put a promax on it with no problems. Just picked up a Lexa and a T3 Ballistic and these reel screwed on no problem. The Ballistic came with tabs but I didn't need to use it.

As for the power yes it does feel stiffer than a Buddies MH Shimano Clarius. However I don't have a problem with it being a bit stiffer. It's a light rod and pretty sensitive for under $100. $70 at Wal Mart.

[CWB]

Have 5 regular and just got a Winch for cranking. Love these rods and can't beat the price. Like hooligan said, they do seem 1 power heavier than listed. The 7' med is my favorite. Light as a feather and very sensitive. Haven't tried spinning yet but Christmas is coming.

[The Next KVD]

In my experience a stiff rod is a sensitive rod.

x2. Think of this, if you take two rocks and bang them against each other the vibration is very apparent in your hands whereas if you take two clumps of mud and bang them against each other you obviously don't feel very much.

Anyways never had a problem with the reel seat although I'm using Shimano reels on mine. Yes the rods are somewhat stiff compared to most companies other than St.Croix, however their rods are what i compare other rods to and feel something like a G.Loomis Heavy is compareable to a Croix MedHeavy.

[TheMightyQuinn]

I have a few of them as well. 7 foot med-heavy an a 7 foot heavy. They are stiffer than most brands, but handle well.

I have a problem with the reel seats on both my Veritas. What I usually do is just tighten the reel down, then try to move the reel up and down. If the reel moves, it means I can tighten the screw down some more. It's usually a one time thing, and the reel does not move once I re-tighten it that second time.

[mr.kagrise]

I am now the proud owner of the 7' MH micro guide. Had no problems with the reel fitting properly and can't wait to try it out. Maybe Mississippi will get another mild winter and I can put this thing to work soon! Thanks again to everyone for helping me feel more confident in my purchase.

[BASSclary]

x2. Think of this, if you take two rocks and bang them against each other the vibration is very apparent in your hands whereas if you take two clumps of mud and bang them against each other you obviously don't feel very much.

Anyways never had a problem with the reel seat although I'm using Shimano reels on mine. Yes the rods are somewhat stiff compared to most companies other than St.Croix, however their rods are what i compare other rods to and feel something like a G.Loomis Heavy is compareable to a Croix MedHeavy.

A stiffer rod is not a more sensitive rod, your example is comparing apples to oranges (Rock to mud). Where as fishing rods are the same material, and whether it is stiffer or more whippy the material stays the same (with variables in thickness) so the properties that transmit the vibrations are the same and there is no difference in sensitivity provided they are the same rods with the same components.

[deaknh03]

I have a veritas, and for almost the same money I recommend the *** black. A far superior rod in every aspect.

[Hooligan]

A stiffer rod is not a more sensitive rod, your example is comparing apples to oranges (Rock to mud). Where as fishing rods are the same material, and whether it is stiffer or more whippy the material stays the same (with variables in thickness) so the properties that transmit the vibrations are the same and there is no difference in sensitivity provided they are the same rods with the same components.

While this is generally true, the truer statement would be to say that Speed, or Taper of the rod effects sensitivity only conditionally. Apparent stiffness in a rod blank can come from a couple things, two of which are the most common: taper and resin. When two rods are made of the same materials using different taper, one will not be as sensitive as the other, generally, because the relay time of the graphite has been somewhat reduced by the modification of the taper. The scrim is generally not as compact in a slower taper...blah blah, blah. That's pretty extreme circumstances to describe it, though.

In this situation, though, I disagree on the Veritas being a power heavy. They're not any more powerful than other rods in the same class, they are, however, faster and as such "stiffer". The blanks are generally listed as fast or extra fast and in most cases they would rate as XF and XXF when compared to the likes of most other manufacturers. There's a perceived difference in power because of this, however that's just it. It's perceived. I would not, for instance, throw a 3/4 ounce jig on a Medium Veritas because it just won't handle it. It will overload the rod, plain and simple. There are times that a 5/8 ounce bait feels like it is too much, as such casting distance and accuracy both suffer. Th MH is the same way. Exceed the rods limitations, and you're going to notice it immediately.

In terms of the quality of the Veritas, they're a very good rod @ the $100 price point. Certainly more reliable than the CarbonLite and Quantum rods in the category. I would venture that they're more sensitive than the St Croix as well, likely up to the Premier and possibly the Rage. They're exponentially lighter than many rods in classes well above them, and they're built with decent components. For me, the single drawback is the trigger. When I palm reels the trigger is just a tad uncomfortable.

[bigfishbk86]

x2. Think of this, if you take two rocks and bang them against each other the vibration is very apparent in your hands whereas if you take two clumps of mud and bang them against each other you obviously don't feel very much.

Anyways never had a problem with the reel seat although I'm using Shimano reels on mine. Yes the rods are somewhat stiff compared to most companies other than St.Croix, however their rods are what i compare other rods to and feel something like a G.Loomis Heavy is compareable to a Croix MedHeavy.

Please stop with the misinformation, seriously. In case everyone isn't aware, this is 100% false.

[j.bruno]

Ive only had reel seat problems on the spinning models.

[Sherlock 60]

I use the same rod primarily for spinnerbaits with a PQ reel.

I have three Veritas rods and once I figured out you need to really tighten the nut holding the reel foot I did not have any problems. I guess the fact it is metal as opposed to plastic on most rods makes the difference and they did loosen up a bit at first.

[PABASS]

I use the same rod primarily for spinnerbaits with a PQ reel.

I have three Veritas rods and once I figured out you need to really tighten the nut holding the reel foot I did not have any problems. I guess the fact it is metal as opposed to plastic on most rods makes the difference and they did loosen up a bit at first.

Same here I just had to tighten down the reel nut for more cranks and no issues. I am used to St Croix and you don't need that much force..

[Mike__D]

I have 3 veritas rods (7 MH, 7MMF, and a 76MHF) none of them have any type of "reel seat problem". The only thing that I do is wrap a little piece of duck tape around the front of the reel foot to avoid the screw down nut from scratching the reel. I am very careful when it comes to my fishing gear so I like to try and keep my gear in the best condition possible.

I also agree with most answers on this thread, the AG rods are generally 1 power heavier than advertised, but to me I am used to their rating so I can adjust my purchases depending on what it is that I am actually looking for. The rating system is comparable to St. Croix or Daiwa if that is any help to you.

Mike D