Spinning Reel Line Issue

[gramps50]

I have 2 6' Ugly Sticks that both have Pflueger Trion GX reels and #6 test line, one is a 4520GXB, the other a 4730GXB

4520GXB has #6 Stren Original

4730GXB has #6 Suffix Elite

I was out fishing and there was some wind but not real bad, the problem is that the line on the 4520GXB doesn't spool back up tight on the spool and after a few cast it gets so loose that it come off the spool in a clumb, looks like a birdsnest in the middle if the line. I attached on end to a tree and reeled out about 50 yards or so of line and reeled it back up tight. After a few cast it was becoming loose again. BTW I am fishing weightless Texas rig with 4" Sencos.

Switched to the 4730GXB and did not have the issue.

Both spools were sprayed with KVD Line & Lure.

I'm thinking it's the spool size that is the issue as the line on the 4520 come off looking like a spring, whereas the 4730 line come off with a little coil in it but not near as much as the 4520.

The line on the 4730 has been on the spool for several months and has not been used, whereas the Stren on the 4520 was just spooled today.

So what do you think the problem is, line, or spool size?

[KevO]

Do you flip the bail over manually or just turn the handle? If you turn the handle, try closing it manually and I bet it fixes your problem. It could also be the way you filled the reel off the spool.

[gramps50]

I always flip the bail manually, so that can't be the issue. Both reels were spooled the same way with the line spool suppened with the line coming off the bottom then running through a phone book to keep tension on it.

[SAC2]

not sure what it could be, but another tip to keep some tension on the line as it goes onto the spool while fishing is stick out your pointer finger so that the line hits it lightly before it goes back onto the spool. i'm not sure how you hold your rod, but for me it was just a slight adjustment that provided the benefit of less line twist and the line laying better on the reel for better casting

[LgMouthGambler]

You might be filling the spool too much.

[Bluebasser86]

It's probably the lack of tension on your line because you're fishing the weightless bait. Overfilling the spool can cause it also.

[SirSnookalot]

You might be filling the spool too much.

Very possible.

Your problem is what's known as "coiling", the immediate things I would try is to first soak your spool in hot water for about 10 minutes. I would then troll my line out, if no access to water, tie your line to a fence or tree (use a swivel) walk all the line out, then reel it back it in tight thru your fingers. Some people have walked the line thru grass but I have never tried it. If you still have problems drop down to 4# or try another brand, I 'm not a fan of Stren original. My own personal choice would be a braided line.

[Bankbeater]

Try cutting off about 50 feet of line from the reel, and see what happens. When you fill up the spool leave about 1/8" from the edge of the spool to the line.

[bassin is addicting]

imo... it's because of the lack of tension in your line as you reel in. i've had this happen in wind and also when using a top water walking bait. the lack of tension when reeling in with that type of topwater i think creates the problem. after using that type bait for a while, i'll get the birds nest when making a cast in the middle of the line....

try creating some tension with your fingers and i'll bet that will help.. it works for me..

[dam0007]

Try oiling the wheel the line passes through/against on the bail. If that thing is sticking and the line isn't rolling right that could cause the problem.

[gramps50]

Reading your guys answers got me thinking I may have spooled the spool wrong and caused the coils and birdsnest.

I have a home made deal that holds my spool while I'm filling, I also pull it through a phone book to put tension on the line. I had read an article sometime back about how to spool the different types of reels, can't seem to find it now but this is what I remember. For baitcasters you feed the line off the bottom of the supply spool when it's held vertical, for a spincast reel you feed the supply spool off the top.

I know for a fact that when I filled the reel in question I filled it feeding the supply off the bottom. I'm going to redo it tomorrow and fill it from the top and see if that makes any difference.

[SirSnookalot]

I think the coiling issue stems from using too heavy a line for a particular spinning reel size. Less line on the spool and using a bit heavier lure that creates more tension only really masks the problem, the coiling is still there you just don't notice it. I do not use mono or copoly lines on smaller reels but I do use some of those lines on slightly larger sizes, 5000 and 8000, I get very little coiling with 12-14#, much more so with 17 or 20# (it's really line diameter not test). My procedure is to get the line on the spool, I then I soak in warm water to limp it up, then before my outing I will troll the line all the way out behind the boat, or in a stream, river or any place where there is a good current. Tighten the drag all the way and reel it in slow, coil is gone at least for that outing, line is tight on the spool, and no line twist. I repeat this procedure as needed.

[gramps50]

This morning I refilled the spool with the same line, Stern Original #6, this time I laid the supply spool face up on the floor, laid a phone book on a small table and ran the line through it, then placed a book on top for more weight, the supply spool was on the floor. Filled the spool to about 1/8" from the tip lip.

Tied on my weightless senco and off I went fishing. Fished for 3+ hours, at times it was windy so I would say the conditions were about the same as the other day when I was having the issue. Today when I was finished the spooled looked about the same as it did when I finished spooling. The line also looked better after a cast, had some coils but they were large and not the corkscrew ones that I was getting before.

I do thank everyone for your comments and suggestions, there were some very good tips that I will be using.