QED Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, NOC 1 said: [stuff deleted] There are a few people who have some issues to work out I think. Seems to be the case. Buy what you like within your means and be happy. Buying stuff outside your means is eventually a self correcting matter that doesn't end well. Disparaging others who have different income/utility functions is just petty. 5 1
Super User NHBull Posted July 3, 2021 Super User Posted July 3, 2021 I think it is because it is expensive to replace all the broken warranty previous years models ???????? .....just adding levity to a sideways thread 1
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted July 3, 2021 Super User Posted July 3, 2021 Since the beginning of time people have expressed their passion for something by obsessing over the quality of the products used in that something. The obsession is usually not logical. The tendency to do this passes as we get older but never goes away. When I was a teenager I was passionate about music and wanted a $1000 car stereo system to listen to it on even though my ears could not distinguish the sound it produced from a $500 system. I also went through the high end “sensitive” rod phase when I was in my 30s. A friend helped me through this phase by challenging me to identify the expensive rod in a blind test. I failed the test. I’m glad I’m over those phases. They cost me a lot of money. Gotta go, I’m installing a $4000 electronics upgrade on my boat this weekend. ? 2 1 2
Johnbt Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 An iPhone 12 Pro is "$1,299 (512GB)" A grand for a good fishing rod is a steal. A thousand bucks isn't what it used to be. 1 1
Happybeerbuzz Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 We have a 5K thread on this forum called "Show Off Your Stuff"... 1
NOC 1 Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Tennessee Boy said: Since the beginning of time people have expressed their passion for something by obsessing over the quality of the products used in that something. The obsession is usually not logical. The tendency to do this passes as we get older but never goes away. When I was a teenager I was passionate about music and wanted a $1000 car stereo system to listen to it on even though my ears could not distinguish the sound it produced from a $500 system. I also went through the high end “sensitive” rod phase when I was in my 30s. A friend helped me through this phase by challenging me to identify the expensive rod in a blind test. I failed the test. I’m glad I’m over those phases. They cost me a lot of money. Gotta go, I’m installing a $4000 electronics upgrade on my boat this weekend. ? In other words, add obsessive to the list of pejoratives used to disparage people who want more than cheap run of mill gear. Thanks for your contribution... PS as a certified audio engineer I will tell you that there ought to be a significant difference between a $1000 stereo and and a $500 stereo. Maybe people "obsessed" people also have tin ears? But, I'm only 65 and have only been fishing for 55 years or so, so maybe I'll mature out of not wanting to use cheap gear.
Super User roadwarrior Posted July 3, 2021 Super User Posted July 3, 2021 26 minutes ago, NOC 1 said: But, I'm only 65 and have only been fishing for 55 years or so, so maybe I'll mature out of not wanting to use cheap gear. Probably not... 1 1
evo2s197 Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 2 hours ago, NOC 1 said: PS as a certified audio engineer I will tell you that there ought to be a significant difference between a $1000 stereo and and a $500 stereo. Maybe people "obsessed" people also have tin ears? This is absolutely correct, with my business we deal with institutions primarily, the amount of money these schools spend on in audio equipment we install in stadiums is astronomical, even in upper tier equipment (as far as schools go) the difference between a $9,000 community speaker and a $12000 speaker is noticeable, same with a $500 audio system or a $1000 one. The fact is most people aren't OCD enough to a notice difference they just go through life oblivious to a lot of things, it's all the same to them, some people are just more enlightened and aware, is all. 1
Super User TOXIC Posted July 3, 2021 Super User Posted July 3, 2021 2 hours ago, NOC 1 said: In other words, add obsessive to the list of pejoratives used to disparage people who want more than cheap run of mill gear. Thanks for your contribution... PS as a certified audio engineer I will tell you that there ought to be a significant difference between a $1000 stereo and and a $500 stereo. Maybe people "obsessed" people also have tin ears? But, I'm only 65 and have only been fishing for 55 years or so, so maybe I'll mature out of not wanting to use cheap gear. So either you spend big money or we are by your definition “cheap run of mill gear” users? Cmon man.…..spend your money how you want, if it were that important to use that level of gear every professional would be fishing with it when they are competing for $100,000 per tournament. Enough is enough. Go buy what you want but looking down your nose at everyone who doesn’t spend the same is petty and arrogant. We get it. You buy big dollar gear. 1 1
Johnbt Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 "if it were that important to use that level of gear every professional would be fishing with it when they are competing I don't think most of them fish the way the recreational fishermen I know fish. Or maybe it's just the tv editing. From what I've seen tournaments are more about how many casts you can make an hour, and the amount of water you can cover, and the way I fish is about how much I enjoy fishing one rod or two the entire day. Maybe the tv shows don't show them making a cast and working a worm or toad for an hour or two while enjoying the scenery or maybe barely moving a spinnerbait across the bottom as slow as I can. I don't know, I've never cared much about tournament fishing. Always looked like a hard job to me. 1
Super User TOXIC Posted July 3, 2021 Super User Posted July 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, Johnbt said: "if it were that important to use that level of gear every professional would be fishing with it when they are competing I don't think most of them fish the way the recreational fishermen I know fish. Or maybe it's just the tv editing. From what I've seen tournaments are more about how many casts you can make an hour, and the amount of water you can cover, and the way I fish is about how much I enjoy fishing one rod or two the entire day. Maybe the tv shows don't show them making a cast and working a worm or toad for an hour or two while enjoying the scenery or maybe barely moving a spinnerbait across the bottom as slow as I can. I don't know, I've never cared much about tournament fishing. Always looked like a hard job to me. Fair enough. If paying big dollars for an outfit that doesn’t result in catching more or bigger fish then enjoy your zen moments fishing with it. Like I said, I don’t begrudge anyone spending whatever they want. It’s their hard earned money. But I thought the act of fishing was to actually catch fish.?
desmobob Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, TOXIC said: But I thought the act of fishing was to actually catch fish.? True. And everyone enjoys the fishing experience in their own way. It's interesting that once the cost or money part of it enters the discussion, the tone of the conversation seems to start changing... 1
Johnbt Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 "But I thought the act of fishing was to actually catch fish." If that were true we'd all be using nightcrawlers, earthworms and minnows and going home after a couple of hours with just enough for supper, not fishing all day and into the night to see who can catch the most and the biggest. 2
evo2s197 Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 1 hour ago, desmobob said: It's interesting that once the cost or money part of it enters the discussion, the tone of the conversation seems to start changing... There are by far WAY more people that have issues with high end gear on this forum than vice versa, I see it time and time again, expensive gear triggers people I guess but who knows.
Super User TOXIC Posted July 3, 2021 Super User Posted July 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, evo2s197 said: There are by far WAY more people that have issues with high end gear on this forum than vice versa, I see it time and time again, expensive gear triggers people I guess but who knows. I don’t see anyone having issues….just trying to understand the logic behind upper end gear that is beyond what 90% of people fish with. It seems to me those who choose that gear are pretty defensive about it. Personally I could care less but I don’t need to be told I’m any less of a fisherman because of the gear I choose. I could understand it even if it was considered artwork because I have a friend in Australia who fishes more expensive gear than what has been mentioned in this thread but it is because he is a collector.
evo2s197 Posted July 3, 2021 Posted July 3, 2021 26 minutes ago, TOXIC said: just trying to understand the logic behind upper end gear that is beyond what 90% of people fish with That's the thing you don't need to understand it, people buy high end gear because they can. To put it simply. The haves and have-nots can often be traced back to the dids and did-nots. 1
desmobob Posted July 4, 2021 Posted July 4, 2021 2 hours ago, TOXIC said: I don’t see anyone having issues….just trying to understand the logic behind upper end gear that is beyond what 90% of people fish with. It seems to me those who choose that gear are pretty defensive about it. Personally I could care less but I don’t need to be told I’m any less of a fisherman because of the gear I choose. I could understand it even if it was considered artwork because I have a friend in Australia who fishes more expensive gear than what has been mentioned in this thread but it is because he is a collector. You are merely proving the point. I hope the mods close this thread soon...
Super User bulldog1935 Posted July 4, 2021 Super User Posted July 4, 2021 If you have a range of gear like most folks will, you should be able to recognize the difference in the feel and performance of the higher end gear. If you can't, then more power to you - buy something less expensive. Professionals are going to fish with gear provided by their sponsors, and they don't care how long it lasts, there's more where that came from. If you do the math, spending for 3 versaltile rods to take on your kayak may cost less than loading your bass boat with a dozen combos for different focused niches. Adding to @desmobob - if he's searching for a word, it's gestalt. The trip, the friends, the meals, the time on the water, even the function of the gear - when you lose track of catching fish, they're just the gravy. Yes, catching fish is the goal, but don't miss the rest because of too high a priority on the fish. 6
Super User JustJames Posted July 4, 2021 Super User Posted July 4, 2021 Mine is not high end gear at all by any mean. Most of my are used even though it might be more expensive than the whole new cheap setup but I buy it because I LOVE IT, period. It just another expensive hobby of mine (that what my wife told me after those motorcycles, wood working tool and golf clubs). 20 years ago when I didnt really catch a lot of fish and didn’t have my wife watching behind my back. I bought fishing reel for my birthday almost every year. Why? because I love it BTW how in the world the post almost 10 years ago about mega bass turn out to be cheap vs expensive. 1
desmobob Posted July 4, 2021 Posted July 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said: BTW how in the world the post almost 10 years ago about mega bass turn out to be cheap vs expensive. Read the first post. It's more or less the classic "It's expensive and, because I can't or don't want to spend that much, it can't really be worth it" kind of thing. For the hundredth time. 1
Super User new2BC4bass Posted July 4, 2021 Super User Posted July 4, 2021 11 hours ago, Johnbt said: An iPhone 12 Pro is "$1,299 (512GB)" A grand for a good fishing rod is a steal. A thousand bucks isn't what it used to be. True. Not many are going to be using their $1299 phone 10 years from now, but that $1000 rod will still be in use if taken care of. As someone pointed out in a previous thread most Japanese don't have the room for more than one or two rods so spending $1000 a rod (with an arsenal of 1 or 2 rods) is less than what many of us Americans spend on our rod arsenal. I know I fit this scenario. My most expensive rod (my cost) is $185 for a used custom. Yet I have much more than $2000 invested in rods. 1
Super User TOXIC Posted July 4, 2021 Super User Posted July 4, 2021 3 hours ago, desmobob said: You are merely proving the point. I hope the mods close this thread soon... Actually, I think you more than proved my point. I never criticized anyone for buying what they want.
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