The Road To The Super Bowl

[MCS]

as much as it pains me to say it, Eli Manning is in the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league.  He has 2 superbowl wins with the first one i would say mainly because of teh defense but the second he was very much responsible for.

 

I really want to like Flacco but he is just to inconsistent for me which may partially be that he has never been in a pass heavy offense.

 

No matter what i would take either of them to be the Eagles QB, although i think Foles will be ok with a decent offensive line.....

 

Tough road ahead for RG.  Even if he heals physically, which is no guarantee, the thought of injuring the same knee with major surgery in the past 3 years has to weigh on him mentally quite a bit.

 

I agree about Eli, and for the most part Flacco being inconsistent.

 

But I think a good bit of his inconsistency is to blame on the play calling(that recently got remidied) and the lack of a great wideout.

Boldin is a very good, but to me he lacks speed and that costs him some games. He is streaky, sometimes he cannot get open, (and when this is the case rarely do the other wideouts help) I don't know enough to say maybe his routes aren't precise enough. but look at last week first half no catches, second half awesome......... look at a few games before the regular seaon, he would get 100 yds td then 0 catches the next week. Same with smith and doss, not the best hands experience or route running. and there has been a myriad of 3 and 4 recievers in and out throughout flaccos career. Nothing like a Welker, Jennings, Nelson, Gronk, Moss etc.

 

Yeah RG might not be the same threat, his mobility may suffer. If I recall it took Brady a while to get comfortable to people being around his feet etc. The good thing though is he looks like he can throw and be a great qb without relying on the wheels.

[Nitrofreak]

Lets look a little closer at Boldin for a second.

 

Speed, yes I agree, it's not there, but what is, heigth, that dude has got some major vertical, I feel if flacco can put the ball up he will come down with it, take another look at games where he got nothing, then think like you were just saying about a recent change that was made,

 

There was a reason he was not part of the game, they worked the weakest side of teams secondary's and stuck to the plan, it was not Boldin that could not get open, it was planned that way, at least I feel that had a lot to do with it, but on the other hand you all do need to have a better WO for sure to get some of that pressure off of Boldin and the others.

 

As for last week, I want you to think about the change that was made once more, before, there were no offensive adjustments made, at least none that were worth a crap, now this past weekend with Boldin, one adjustment that made perfect sense to me.

 

I feel like it's just a matter of time, you are not far off at all, but if they call an offensive game like last week, I think you will be in good shape, I feel you have the tallent, just lacked the proper adjustments, it looks good so far, I think if they don't push it too hard you all are going to be tough to beat.

[Teal]

Flacco a top 10 QB? Maybe, elite, NO. Not yet.

Do you guys see Cam Newton as Elite QB in the next 3-5 years.

[flyfisher]

Flacco a top 10 QB? Maybe, elite, NO. Not yet.

Do you guys see Cam Newton as Elite QB in the next 3-5 years.

I agree and no way newton will get to be elite. He has a little to much diva in him to be that successful.

[deaknh03]

Flacco is not elite, and if he makes the top 10, he is #10 at best. Eli, and I don't like him, has to be considered elite, he has 2 rings, and he had a huge part of both playoff runs. 

[Teal]

Fly fisher I hope you are wrong. You are right tho, he does have so e diva to him. I do think he has matured a little bit this year. He is still young. But I will say this this about Cam Newton, the sky is the limit for him, the key to unlocking his potential is is in his head.

If and when he ever gets his head and heart in the same place as his physical skills, he's going be something like we have never seen. I think we have already seen flashes.

With that said, I see very similar potential in RG3, luck, and R. wilson

[Nitrofreak]

Flacco is not elite, and if he makes the top 10, he is #10 at best. Eli, and I don't like him, has to be considered elite, he has 2 rings, and he had a huge part of both playoff runs. 

 

WHAT !!!!!

 

He say's he is LOL !!! don't that make it so !!

 

I think he can be here in the near future though.

 

As for Cam, I feel the same way, he does have some mad skills, if he would just get his head out of his butt and start putting it to good use !!

[MCS]

Cam is good but what happened to the O-line and running game. That is more concerning and I think hurt cam this year. Don't follow the panthers much except for fantasy value and that didn't pan out for anyone lol.

I personally don't think Flacco is that great, think he can be like Eli numbers wise but hasn't shown the guts n grit Eli has in the playoffs or as a leader. This is what his 4th season though. The Sun and media would have u think he is top which I think keeping with what people want to hear rather than see.

What impressed me with RG3 is that he had the season he did without an elite WR. Shoot Garcon was our 2/3 of the year? It says a lot about 2...RG can execute, and laugh all u want at the shannahans but they had great planning coaching and play calling. Morris helped too. Flacco I don't think could took them to the playoffs if he was the skins QB

If cam had that kinda coaching and running game behind him lol

[flyfisher]

RG is over rated in my opinion. He did what was asked of him and they gave him a very simple passing offense where he only had to make 2 reads and then dump it off or run. I am not taking anything away from him at all because he is a good athlete but there is no way he could have done what luck or Wilson did.

I like watching him play but I think he is more fragile than even Vick, missed 1 game entirely and pulled out of 2 others. Not to mention he also tore up his knee in 2009 and again this year. Yeah he can run yeah he seems like a real good kid but I am not sure he is or will be a superstar, especially with the I only look out for myself attitude of the coaching staff.

[Nitrofreak]

RG is over rated in my opinion. He did what was asked of him and they gave him a very simple passing offense where he only had to make 2 reads and then dump it off or run. I am not taking anything away from him at all because he is a good athlete but there is no way he could have done what luck or Wilson did.

I like watching him play but I think he is more fragile than even Vick, missed 1 game entirely and pulled out of 2 others. Not to mention he also tore up his knee in 2009 and again this year. Yeah he can run yeah he seems like a real good kid but I am not sure he is or will be a superstar, especially with the I only look out for myself attitude of the coaching staff.

I think he is under rated instead of over, I agree on the fragile part, he could quite possibly fit that bill, the simple offensive sceme was put in place to bring him along at a slow pace, not sure of the pace next season with the injury but we will see, the bone head needs to learn how to slide first though lol !!

 

I think since we have a good running game starting to take shape it will be a different Skins team this coming season, but one thing I have seen where we compare him to Vick is he chooses his runs, Vick just has no other option but to run, RG's roll out play's sets defenses on their heels and makes them back off more so than I have seen with Vick as well, I think it's due to his accuracy personally, the other factor is his ability to be able to hide the ball very very well.

[flyfisher]

I think he is under rated instead of over, I agree on the fragile part, he could quite possibly fit that bill, the simple offensive sceme was put in place to bring him along at a slow pace, not sure of the pace next season with the injury but we will see, the bone head needs to learn how to slide first though lol !!

 

I think since we have a good running game starting to take shape it will be a different Skins team this coming season, but one thing I have seen where we compare him to Vick is he chooses his runs, Vick just has no other option but to run, RG's roll out play's sets defenses on their heels and makes them back off more so than I have seen with Vick as well, I think it's due to his accuracy personally, the other factor is his ability to be able to hide the ball very very well.

I guess that's the difference between a fan of a team and not. I can pick out the bad way easier than the good

And this year I will agree. Vick was running for his life pretty much all season which was to be expected given 4 offensive linemen went down throughout the season.

RG does do a nice play fake but if the shanahan's continue to have set running plays for him 8-10 times a game he will not last. Mobile quarterbacks are much more dangerous when you think they might run instead of planning for them to run.

[A-Jay]

So many of the QB's who play a "Running style" gets Broke, Re-Broke, then Broke Again and finally just go away.

And scrambling around in the pocket or moving to extend a play, is not the same as developing plays that send the QB directly into the meat grinder. 

In order to be fast enough for that style to be effective, a man has to be built a certain way.

Unfortunately, this physique can not endure the rigors associated with the job.

Even the dudes designated as runners, who do not look like QB's, have a tough time staying healthy.

The Pocket Passing QBs who never run get hurt - look at Payton Manning, the guy never runs and he broke his neck.  Unless something changes, I say that style will never allow a player to enjoy any longevity in the league.  A championship could certainly be won using it, but history indicates that it is rare and repeat  championship performances by the same player are few.

The NFL made special rules regarding how the D can tackle a QB.

So why is it a good idea to give them free shots at the man - Repeatedly ?

 

Many of the athletes playing QB and running this style are amazing to watch.

But I cringe every time they choose not to slide. 

 

A-Jay

[flyfisher]

I have heard from many mobile quarterbacks all the way back to Cunningham say they are more nervous about sliding and getting a knee or shoulder caught then anything. I guess sliding like anything else is something that is learned and needs to be practiced

Besides that, I am sure most qb don't want to be seen on the practice field practicing their slides.....might put them even closer to the kicker category

[A-Jay]

Besides that, I am sure most qb don't want to be seen on the practice field practicing their slides.....might put them even closer to the kicker category

 

That could be - but the top 25 scores in NFL history are all placekickers.

 

Grass stains might be more desirable than blood stains.

 

A-Jay

[Nitrofreak]

I guess that's the difference between a fan of a team and not. I can pick out the bad way easier than the good

And this year I will agree. Vick was running for his life pretty much all season which was to be expected given 4 offensive linemen went down throughout the season.

RG does do a nice play fake but if the shanahan's continue to have set running plays for him 8-10 times a game he will not last. Mobile quarterbacks are much more dangerous when you think they might run instead of planning for them to run.

 

Na, I can be pretty harsh on anyone, I am only assuming we have not seen all of his abilities just yet, not seeing the whole package so to speak, just saying it's hard to make a judgement call in his very first season, I think he suprised a lot of critics so far,  myself included. 

[MCS]

Yes OMG yes. He is by far the most accurate and better head/thought process on what to do than Vick or Cam. Vicks Vtech/law instincts kick in "RUN HOMIE RUN THEY CHASIN U" and don't think newton is all that savy, not that he can't throw.

[Nitrofreak]

So many of the QB's who play a "Running style" gets Broke, Re-Broke, then Broke Again and finally just go away.

And scrambling around in the pocket or moving to extend a play, is not the same as developing plays that send the QB directly into the meat grinder. 

In order to be fast enough for that style to be effective, a man has to be built a certain way.

Unfortunately, this physique can not endure the rigors associated with the job.

Even the dudes designated as runners, who do not look like QB's, have a tough time staying healthy.

The Pocket Passing QBs who never run get hurt - look at Payton Manning, the guy never runs and he broke his neck.  Unless something changes, I say that style will never allow a player to enjoy any longevity in the league.  A championship could certainly be won using it, but history indicates that it is rare and repeat  championship performances by the same player are few.

The NFL made special rules regarding how the D can tackle a QB.

So why is it a good idea to give them free shots at the man - Repeatedly ?

 

Many of the athletes playing QB and running this style are amazing to watch.

But I cringe every time they choose not to slide. 

 

A-Jay

 

Nice comment, This is what coach Mike has been blending into his offense, with the option to run if needed, some of the blocking scemes reflect that if you watch close enough, I think they both have learned a ton this season.

 

Joe Thiesman comes to mind as a pocket QB as well, like you I cringe also, but with the rules in place today it's much better than say even two years ago.

[deaknh03]

How many scramblers have won super bowls? Steve Young, any others? Kickers may score, but how many in the hall? Stenerud, any others?

[flyfisher]

The thing with RG is he may be in the perfect situation where he never needs to pass much. Kind of reminds me of Big Ben. He is mobile and passes when he has to but it is more of a run oriented scheme.

I hope there is a ton of controversy next year though so he gets moved out of the division

[flyfisher]

That could be - but the top 25 scores in NFL history are all placekickers.

 

Grass stains might be more desirable than blood stains.

 

A-Jay

I wonder what their scoring would be if you didn't have an offense to move the ball in range or removed extra points from their totals

[Nitrofreak]

How many scramblers have won super bowls? Steve Young, any others? Kickers may score, but how many in the hall? Stenerud, any others?

 

Not a fair question, they all are scramblers to some extent, even Brady scrambles.

[deaknh03]

We all know a scrambler, cunningham, young, vick, that type. Brady runs to not get killed, hes no scrambler. Tarkenton might have been the most succesful, but his teams were stacked.

[Nitrofreak]

I think Jon Elway tried, does that count? LOL !!

[deaknh03]

elway was like roethlisberger, mobile but not a scrambler, still more of a pocket passer

[MCS]

I think Jon Elway tried, does that count? LOL !!

He didn't scramble.....he galloped.

How many carrots were his Super Bowl ring?